External Door lock how to calculate?

mstar · Post by **mstar** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:58 pm

Hello

I have a night latch and i have got some handles (see pics) but i don't know which/how to calculate what size 5 lever mortice lock i need?
how do i calculate where the key hole goes and where the door handle square bit, and get the correct mortice lock?

anyone help? 57MM, 63MM???

lockie · Post by **lockie** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:06 pm

You need the measurment between the handle spindle and center of the euro hole.Most common is 92mm centers.

mstar · Post by **mstar** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:10 pm

ok in my diagram looking at it would be 93mm (71mm+ 62-40) like you said but obviously iare there standard sizes for these locks?
e.g 57, 63, 73, 80, 93mm??

for example screwfix only has these:

http://www.screwfix.com/cats/A359606/Se ... -Sashlocks

lockie · Post by **lockie** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:45 pm

Those handles are designed for a upvc door type multipoint lock hence the euro cylinder cut out.If you want to fit a 5 lever sash lock use normal handles. Yours are probably 92 centers.

You also say you have a nightlatch ,got any examples of it ?

mstar · Post by **mstar** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:41 pm

hi lockie then were can i find external door handles for timber door? that will fit a normal 5 lever morice lock? or what kind of lock can/should i fit with the handle i have now.

night latch is a yale X8 one

fin · Post by **fin** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:08 am

mstar, pop along to either a b&q or a local builders merchants. see what they have in stock. they will have 5 lever mortice locks and a good selection of handles

mstar · Post by **mstar** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:22 am

thanks fin. i know this sounds weird but i like the handles on upvc doors surely i can find the same for timber doors with 5 lever as well? maybe on ebay?

b&q, wickes a little far away for me

lockie · Post by **lockie** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:14 pm

The only handle i have seen with a standard keyhole is for the new era vectris multipoint lock that has a 5 lever lock instead of a euro cylinder.But like i mentioned before you can only use these handles with the appropriate lock which in this case is the era vectris multipoint lock.

If you want a 5 lever lock you need standard handles or you can go down the vectris route and route out the whole side of the door to fit it.

fin · Post by **fin** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:01 am

why do you want to do all this to a timber door? would it not be easier to buy a pvc door when you consider the time it will take you? plus buying the locks etc? probably cost you about £300 or so for a pvc door

mstar · Post by **mstar** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:30 am

problem was i got this wooden door and i spent over £200 on it, wife hates upvc doors.

so basically my options are to use non handles and keep the 5 lever mortice and use the night latch with door pull.

i loved to have handles like upvc doors but i guess i cnt

Coltech · Post by **Coltech** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:46 pm

Hi mstar,
I don't know if you have been sorted on this yet.
The handle you show is for a 70PZ Ferco multi point door lock. The way to check this is to measure the spindle square and if it is 7mm then its for a Ferco lock.
As previous posters have said you will probably require a lock with a 92mm PZ and that said you will need a new handle.
I know of two trade suppliers who may be able to help with a KFV 49PZW lock and the other one will be a Fuhr mortice lock with euro profile cylinder cut out.
see here for the KFV lock http://www.mila.co.uk/49_PZW_Mortice_Lock.aspx
and try here for the Fuhr one.
http://www.carlf.co.uk/products_doorbolts.html
open page and click on the file for 'universal lock 803'
both these supplier operate a trade account only policy ( i think) but it might be worth contacting them to find out or you might be able to order via a local locksmith.
Hope this helps
PS. you will require a Euro profile cylinder as well and this type of lock will not meet the minimum security requirements as laid down by the Association of British Insurers (ABI)

mstar · Post by **mstar** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:49 pm

ok i wanted to ask people, normally am i correct in saying for a timber front door you normally have nightlatch (with door pull) and a mortice 5 lever lock below. possibly a door knob if the door pull is to small.

that would solve my problem getting handles and keeping the night latch?
as i was thinking have locable door handles would mean u turn the door handle then get the key out for the night latch and together turn to enter the house.

lockie · Post by **lockie** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:09 pm

mstar wrote:ok i wanted to ask people, normally am i correct in saying for a timber front door you normally have nightlatch (with door pull) and a mortice 5 lever lock below. possibly a door knob if the door pull is to small.

that would solve my problem getting handles and keeping the night latch?
as i was thinking have locable door handles would mean u turn the door handle then get the key out for the night latch and together turn to enter the house.

You are right but it depends on personal taste which way you do it.
Not sure what you mean by lockable handles, do you mean a sash lock ? What ever you fit make sure one of the locks has a kite mark on the face plate so you keep the insurance company happy.

At present the union strong bolt is a very good value quality lock.
Whatever you do do not buy an era fortress as they are trouble due to quality control issues.