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New back door

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Hi,

I live in a terraced house and the outer back door has seen better days :cb

The door is attached to the back yard wall.

I was thinking of making a new one from a sheet of 3/4 inch exterior plywood.

Does this sound like a good idea, or could there be problems with this?

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do you mean the back gate type thing?
i presume you do not mean the real back door to the house.
if you do mean the garden gate type thing then yes external ply is fine though it doesnt look too good in nmy opinion.
much nicer is a door made up of boards etc.
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Post by mazz »

Thanks panlid,

Yes it is not attached to the house it is the door between the back yard and the back of the street.

I thought that it would look ok if I put 4 or 5 lengths of timber accross it as i need at least two for the band and gudgeon hinges.
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Post by moon133 »

If the edges are left exposed, you may suffer a little peeling after a few years unless you seal them.

I agree with Saucepan Head :grin: though. Baords would be far more attractive. Try a gate kit Most DIY Stores do them.
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mazz you could do that, but as loon says you may get problems with the edges.
i always think that board type gates look like a council house.
making a ledge, braced and batterned door is a piece of pss. just cut them to length, lie them face down and put a z on the back. screw through the z with stainless screws careful not too long and hey presto a door.
it will look tons better as well. a builders merchant will even cut all the peices to the right length if you ask them.
most merchants will have a v type board in redwood that is made for this. it is nowmally about 15mm to 18mm thick. make the z rails out of something like 40mm to add strength. put the cross rails where the hinges go.
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Post by mazz »

Thanks for the replies :thumbright:

I'll make my own like you say panlid :wink:

Should I glue the pieces together as well, with external wood glue?

Do I need rustproof screws and do I screw through the braces/battens or do I screw from the other side?

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no need for glue just make sure you use redwood not whitewood. bnq only sells whitewood boarding.

stainless screws and screw for the back. if your z rails are 30mm and the thickness of the boards are 15 then you want to sink the head slightly. i would use something like 40mm 6s or 7s.

make sure as you screw it you keep it square.
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Mazz,
I have made a few exterior malasian 3/4 inch ply gates for customers, for one thing they do not shrink or expand , three 6x1 prepared should be enough for the top, middle and bottom rails screwed with 40mm size 8 or 10's counter sunk galvanised screws, (stainless better but expensive,) give the rails a coat of clear cuprinol before screwing on, or brown if you are going to stain the gate, no idea of what size the gate is but timber yard will advise you what size galvanised tee hinges to get. you may have to build up the middle rail at he lock end to take a suffolk latch or rim lock. good luck! (exterior ply is glued together with Phenol glue so it is boilproof and waterproof and does not delaminate) :wink: (just for you Panlid :-) )
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petengade wrote:Mazz,
I have made a few exterior malasian 3/4 inch ply gates for customers, for one thing they do not shrink or expand , three 6x1 prepared should be enough for the top, middle and bottom rails screwed with 40mm size 8 or 10's counter sunk galvanised screws, (stainless better but expensive,) give the rails a coat of clear cuprinol before screwing on, or brown if you are going to stain the gate, no idea of what size the gate is but timber yard will advise you what size galvanised tee hinges to get. you may have to build up the middle rail at he lock end to take a suffolk latch or rim lock. good luck! (exterior ply is glued together with Phenol glue so it is boilproof and waterproof and does not delaminate) :wink: (just for you Panlid :-) )
oh dear.

mazz, in the real world it peels.

i can provide pics if needed! just for pete :wink:
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Post by petengade »

Then wpbp ply was not used!! (water proof boil proof) you must use the correct plywood! it is stamped on the ply, have even built a boat out of it and still ok (BS1012 marine ply was too expensive) (40mm size 6 screws, what are you on? :lol: )
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Post by panlid »

listen peter. you make gates out of plywood and you have the cheek to ask me what i am on :lol: :lol: :lol:

anyway i never knew wbp was stamped on the ply :wink: ::b


by the way you are quite right. i meant 40mm 3.5s.(?)
im still of the old imperial so i would call them 1 1/2" 6s
the screws i buy are in metric but have the equivilant imperial size on the box for old gits like me.
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