Even tradesmen give trades a bad name

Rich-Ando · Post by **Rich-Ando** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:05 pm

i agree with you both on that although i can understand plumbers using things like the Hep20 pushfit fittings as it saves so much time on a job. i'm not a plumber so i don't know if there are any long term implications to it, hope not cos i have used them myself on the odd occasion.

wish i had taken pics now and shown how neat it looks now. waste direct from bath to outside with proper diamond cut holes etc.

i am personally proud of the perfect tile cuts ie. stench pipe, cold supply & overflow all cut through one tile without cracking it

Hoovie · Post by **Hoovie** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:04 pm

Rich-Ando wrote:i agree with you both on that although i can understand plumbers using things like the Hep20 pushfit fittings as it saves so much time on a job. i'm not a plumber so i don't know if there are any long term implications to it, hope not cos i have used them myself on the odd occasion.

wish i had taken pics now and shown how neat it looks now. waste direct from bath to outside with proper diamond cut holes etc.

i am personally proud of the perfect tile cuts ie. stench pipe, cold supply & overflow all cut through one tile without cracking it

you should have done - and then showed them to these 'tradesmen' so they know what something should look like!!

yourweb · Post by **yourweb** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:29 am

Rich-Ando wrote:
yourweb wrote:That is bad. If they were in the US that person could take them to court and have them redo it all over again.

This is why if I have any trades doing any work in my house I will take the time out to watch everything they do. I had a plumber once that I fired after he could not figure out how to install a bigger water heater. Told him to take his tank and leave.

Your going to have to show the new work pics. Will be interesting to see what you did to fix those problems.
i didn't take any m8. i thought it was risky enough posting my next door neighbours bathroom let alone posting what it looks like now.
the reason i am taking a risk showing this to you is that it is bad enough that i had to explain how poor the work was let alone overcome the part i neglected to mention: -

the tradesmen were her own family

I bet that was a hard thing to do. Glad you showed the work. I bet she now has a better feeling on what your doing now after the work is done. Do it right the first time. She should hire you for more work once this project is done.

Rich-Ando · Post by **Rich-Ando** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:37 am

yourweb wrote: I bet that was a hard thing to do. Glad you showed the work. I bet she now has a better feeling on what your doing now after the work is done. Do it right the first time. She should hire you for more work once this project is done.

not sure m8. because she is used to her own family doing it very cheap but bodging the lot she actually has never had to pay out for a proper job.

my own fault but seeing as it was next door, no travelling, easy access etc etc i did it cheap anyway (at least i think so)

basically i did the following: -

removed all the plaster
removed all the suite
removed all the plumbing
removed all the floor
replaced a joist
re-plumbed the whole suite
changed the cold supply plumbing to the boiler
changed the hot water plumbing from the boiler
made all pipework flush mounting (taped etc properly)
fitted a complete new floor (vise clamped tongue n groove)
UPVA all walls 3 times
plastered all walls from scratch
UPVA the finish for tile adhesive
tiled the whole room floor to ceiling
then she wanted a laminate floor (tile type for bathrooms)
took door off, altered it due to laminate floor
fitted the whole suite back again
cut new waste for the bath neatly through the wall
connected all pipework outside neatly

it probably doesn't sound as much as it really was.
i charged her just £1700 for it cos of who she is and where she is but i sit here wondering who the mug is

Hoovie · Post by **Hoovie** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:41 am

Rich-Ando wrote: basically i did the following: -

removed all the plaster
removed all the suite
removed all the plumbing
removed all the floor
replaced a joist
re-plumbed the whole suite
changed the cold supply plumbing to the boiler
changed the hot water plumbing from the boiler
made all pipework flush mounting (taped etc properly)
fitted a complete new floor (vise clamped tongue n groove)
UPVA all walls 3 times
plastered all walls from scratch
UPVA the finish for tile adhesive
tiled the whole room floor to ceiling
then she wanted a laminate floor (tile type for bathrooms)
took door off, altered it due to laminate floor
fitted the whole suite back again
cut new waste for the bath neatly through the wall
connected all pipework outside neatly

Sounds like the only thing you didn't do was any electrics - now there is irony!

Jaeger_S2k · Post by **Jaeger_S2k** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:38 am

Oh you'll be back to fix the wall tiles ....

UPVA the finish for tile adhesive

yourweb · Post by **yourweb** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:02 pm

Well if she doesn't appreciate your work, she does not deserve it. I would love to have a neighbor like you or access to a person like you. Someone that takes pride in what they do.

tim'll fix it · Post by **tim'll fix it** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:07 pm

Jaeger_S2k wrote:Oh you'll be back to fix the wall tiles ....

UPVA the finish for tile adhesive

dont worry we will beat it out of him

Jaeger_S2k · Post by **Jaeger_S2k** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:35 pm

Yeah,
Panny can sit on him and John can talk about "Home Entertainment Systems"

Rich-Ando · Post by **Rich-Ando** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:51 pm

lol ur right hoovie, the only thing i didn't do was electrics

what do u mean about the UPVA though Jag & Tim? do you mean i shouldn't have done it?
i have always done that to make a better bond for tile adhesive because a finish plastered wall is shiny?

you got me worried now

Jaeger_S2k wrote:Yeah,
Panny can sit on him and John can talk about "Home Entertainment Systems"

lol i keep fluctuating from 16 to 17 n half stone so Panny would have to be a lot fatter than me to sit on me

Jaeger_S2k · Post by **Jaeger_S2k** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:08 pm

10 of us hold you down Panny sits on you. Panny sitting on Rich. Done

Don't panic about just read this...
pva-why-you-shouldn-t-use-it-as-a-tilin ... -t168.html

... then PANIC

Rich-Ando · Post by **Rich-Ando** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:17 pm

gulp!!!

to be honest i have done it myself loads of time, seen it done loads more and been told to do it even more than that, not has one problem yet.
my pva was not a clean mix so it should be ok.

thanks for the info though.

tim'll fix it · Post by **tim'll fix it** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:19 pm

Rich-Ando wrote:gulp!!!

to be honest i have done it myself loads of time, seen it done loads more and been told to do it even more than that, not has one problem yet.
my pva was not a clean mix so it should be ok.

thanks for the info though.

lets be honest we have all done it in the past, but we all learn and get better

Jaeger_S2k · Post by **Jaeger_S2k** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:21 pm

For sure!