Brussels wants access to UK's DVLA driver's database

[Jasper]

EU members to be forced to share driver’s details
Brussels is demanding access to Britain’s DVLA database, giving police forces of 26 nations access to 38 million British driver’s details. In addition foreign police forces want access to the UK’s national DNA database and finger print records.

Civil liberties groups believe this Orwellian edict this will give rise to innocent Britons being accused of crimes they have not committed.

[kellys_eye]

Civil liberties groups believe this Orwellian edict this will give rise to innocent Britons being accused of crimes they have not committed.

In view of the European Arrest Warrant (where no actual proof of offence is required but you can still be deported to a European country to answer questions on supposed crimes) this could be a nightmare.....

[northwales4u]

I can't see how it could be a bad thing, I presume that we would be allowed to access other European countries databases. It should be able to help discourage reckless and dangerous driving while abroad.

As for sharing the DNA & Fingerprint database then it would be able to crack down on international crime, crime committed on holidays etc.

If you keep your nose clean then there shouldn't be anything to worry about. Of course there are bound to be the odd few rare cases where the wrong person could be fingered but that happens everywhere

[Jasper]

So that's all alright then, nothing to worry about!

[northwales4u]

yep - catching criminals can only be a good thing the only people I find who tend to disagree are the criminals themselves

[royaloakcarpentry]

yep - catching criminals can only be a good thing the only people I find who tend to disagree are the criminals themselves

You forgot about the human rights brigade that discriminate against the victim.

when I was off the tools and working abroad. We had another lad with us, but in another team. We all went for our updated ID cards. Americans in charge of it all. They had a new system where they would fingerprint us and do retina recognition. Lad in the other team had to feck off out of country rather sharpish........wanted in the states lol.

Will be good to be able to clamp down on all the eastern europeans working here and living here, many in council homes who are using plated cars from their country of origin. Don't pay road tax, our insurance or need an MOT.

I am in favour of any system that helps narrow a criminals world in which he can hide.

Bring in ID cards too and random road check points.

[Colour Republic]

yep - catching criminals can only be a good thing the only people I find who tend to disagree are the criminals themselves

I'm not a criminal and I don't think it's right. Anybody who knows how powerful a database can be should be worried, especially in the wrong hands. If I trusted the data was safe I wouldn't woryy, but it's not and I am

[Wes]

I am in favour of any system that helps narrow a criminals world in which he can hide.

Bring in ID cards too and random road check points.

No chance would I want to live in a Nazi country like that...They've got it all in America and most of the people are more scared of there own police than they are of criminals Far to much power handed to the police to control and completely oppress the many because of the unruly few.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of violent people but neither am I a fan of authoritarian fascists. Truly ROC, how would you feel living in a country with road check points? We obviously get them now but I'm thinking you mean to a greater degree...I'm picturing it now and it's a very depressing thought...

[royaloakcarpentry]

Random check points wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

I wonder what you would do if you got a floor to do in Canary Wharf. Security stops you at a check point, wants to see in the van, wants to run swabs on the van to test. Do as they ask or tell them to feck off and go home, leaving the job in limbo.

One mans oppression is determined just by having to have an ID card. To another man it means more freedom.

How are the US police oppressing law abiding people. Do they harass them for having an ID card but no criminal record. Interrogate them for it. Put them in prison. What exactly are they doing to all these law abiding people to oppress them? How do they control them, what do they make them do, what actions do they make them commit?

[big-all]

perhaps if we had other countries driving licenses data bases we could use that for people entering illegally or found here without documentation as another source to check to prove who they are as people cannot be deported without knowing who they are or where the can be deported to

[Wes]

I wonder what you would do if you got a floor to do in Canary Wharf. Security stops you at a check point, wants to see in the van, wants to run swabs on the van to test. Do as they ask or tell them to feck off and go home, leaving the job in limbo.

I'd conform to get the job done. I've got no problems with stop checks in high security places and I wouldn't start causing a big tree hugging style fuss. I was at Sellafield about 3 weeks ago and there's some serious security there and fully justified. However, on the level I believe you mean, the entire country isn't and shouldn't be put on a high security alert.

How are the US police oppressing law abiding people. Do they harass them for having an ID card but no criminal record. Interrogate them for it. Put them in prison. What exactly are they doing to all these law abiding people to oppress them? How do they control them, what do they make them do, what actions do they make them commit?

There big questions ROC, I could go into that all night. I'm not dodging your questions, I genuinely don't want to be writing hundreds of words mate. You know the type of police that are power mad barking orders like Judge Dredd and you know the type that know and understand the law and act accordingly. Well, taking a peek over the pond and simply looking at the nature of America in general and the way there behaving in the world, it doesn't take much to see what type of so called society there living in ROC and we're hot on there tails. There was two women no long ago that got cavity searched at the side of the road with cars driving by. What's all that about? The police over there feel like they can stick there fingers up women's ***** in the middle of the road. That sort of oppression goes on all the time over there. Can you see the direction that's going in.

There's natures laws and there's man made oppressive laws. Some good, some bad. Where does it stop ROC. Would you give the police free power to cavity search you on the street? The more power there given, the tighter the grip on society. That's certainly not what you call freedom.

[royaloakcarpentry]

no, you need a good consistent police force that has the power to be very heavy handed when fully justified. That doesn't mean on suspicion of.

We are on the whole extremely lucky to have a police force that is the envy of many countries. Just a shame they have had a lot of good policing taken away from them.

Should a 13 year old be able to take the p155 out of them. Not in my book. Should the police complaints authority have to investigate when some one on the way to a drugs cartel meeting with a weapon is shot. No.

Like everything, there has to be balance and a very clean force to work within it.

I appreciate some topics on here are more of in depth discussions and not 3 liners going back and forth.

[Wes]

no, you need a good consistent police force that has the power to be very heavy handed when fully justified. That doesn't mean on suspicion of.

Agreed..

We are on the whole extremely lucky to have a police force that is the envy of many countries. Just a shame they have had a lot of good policing taken away from them.

Totally agree...When I see police walking around with t.v licence and backing up bailiffs for civil matters I just think there not here for us any more. There here for the corporations. The polices oath "I, ... of ... do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law." The police should act under common law, more and more there acting under corporate law..Bad!

Should a 13 year old be able to take the p155 out of them. Not in my book. Should the police complaints authority have to investigate when some one on the way to a drugs cartel meeting with a weapon is shot. No.

Regards the 13 year old, I agree. Regards any shooting, they must investigate. If not we're back to the judge Dredd comparison. Licence to kill. The police must be held fully accountable for everything they do otherwise we pull that fascist noose tighter and that wedge between the citizen and police becomes thicker.

I suppose it's how we all see things from our own perspective. I just don't trust a collective group with power. There are special people out there that can handle it but the group mentality is so powerful, it's poison. It's easy to pluck extreme examples out of the bag like I did with them two women getting cavity searched ROC, but the more we go blindly down that route the quicker and deeper we go into territory like the nazi's..Curfews, stop checks, let me zee your paperzzz. That's oppression, that's instilling fear in people, it's simply not right IMO.