"pinning" a ceiling pendant light?

Zudecke · Post by **Zudecke** » Sun May 16, 2021 8:22 am

Hi all

In trendy restaurants these days, you see they have a pendant light fixture that is pinned to somewhere on the ceiling other that the light source/base.

I want to know if this can be achieved with any single cable pendant light and where I can get the fixture to "pin" or "suspend" the cable up where I want it?

If I'm not making sense, this is this only similar thing I could find (probably because I actually don't know what to search against) - https://www.made.com/ogilvy-rise-and-fa ... ique-brass

Any help is appreciated!

Many thanks

ayjay · Post by **ayjay** » Sun May 16, 2021 8:44 am

Zudecke wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 8:22 am

I want to know if this can be achieved with any single cable pendant light and where I can get the fixture to "pin" or "suspend" the cable up where I want it?

The extra "thingy" that hangs between the light and the ceiling rose is a counterbalance weight - if you have one of those for your "single cable pendant light" than it will work.

Your link gives clues as to what to search for.

Someone-Else · Post by **Someone-Else** » Sun May 16, 2021 9:08 am

Actually it is NOT as simple as it looks.

The ceiling rose has to have a "cord grip" to prevent strain on the terminals, also to stop the flex from being pulled out, and you shouldn't use "any flex" as the movement (over time) will wear through the insulation.

I would suggest a braid covered flex, like they use for irons.

You also have to have a weight on a pulley that is the same weight as the lamp, if it's too light the lamp will pull the weight up, if the weight is too heavy it will pull the lamp up. (Now you know why they want £80)

What you actually do is up to you, just because "it works" does not mean it is safe. (The problems will occur after some use, but if you say you are not going to move it, why bother going to all the effort?)
It is one of those things that "look nice" but are not that good in practice.

ericmark · Post by **ericmark** » Sun May 16, 2021 12:31 pm

I have these

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it allows me to plug in what light I fancy, and swap fittings from room to room. I seem to remember a ceiling rose should have a safe working load using hook provided 5Kg. I think if I had a 4.5 kg weight and I hung in on light fittings to check they can take the weight, many would fail.

I watched an electrician paid by the council move a ceiling rose in mothers old house, and he connected it to the plaster board, can't see that taking 5 kg.

In case you don't believe me

BS7671:2008 wrote:559.6.1.5 Fixing of the luminaire
Adequate means to fix the luminaire shall be provided.
The fixing means may be mechanical accessories (e.g. hooks or screws), boxes or enclosures which are able to support luminaires or supporting devices for connecting a luminaire.
In places where the fixing means is intended to support a pendant luminaire. the fining means shall be capable of carrying a mass of not less than 5 kg. If the mass of the luminaire is greater than 5 kg, the installer shall ensure that the fixing means is capable of supporting the mass of the pendant luminaire.
The installation of the fixing means shall be in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions.
The weight of luminaires and their eventual accessories shall be compatible with the mechanical capability of the ceiling or suspended ceiling or supporting structure where installed.
Any cable or cord between the fixing means and the luminaire shall be installed so that any expected stresses in the conductors, terminals and terminations will not impair the safety of the installation.