certification required

[muggins12]

I'm hoping someone can clear up what an electrician should have provided for some work done, ie EIC, part P buildings reg? We didn't get anything, the work was completed 4 years ago and we are now selling the property. we have recently had an EICR report done with no major issues so hope this will be enough for the buyers.

Looking at the picture he installed the box to the bottom right to serve some new appliances in our kitchen, induction hob, oven, sockets etc and put new cabling to these.

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[ericmark]

In theory any work should have paperwork, either a minor works certificate or an insulation certificate and with the latter one would expect an compliance or completion certificate depending if scheme member or not.

Any new sockets should be RCD protected, can't see if MCB or RCBO.

However an EICR has a number of codes, but the one we are interested in is Code C2. Code C2 means potentially dangerous, it does not mean it does not comply with latest edition of BS7671, so even if new sockets fitted after 2008 when the rules changed, it would not get a code C2.

What would make sense is when a house is sold the buyers solicitor does a search for the completion or compliance certificates, that would show all had been done correctly, however I mislaid the one for my mothers house and was told it would take 4 months to get a replacement and I would need to pay for workers time to find it, solicitor said I could take out insurance instead. However I did in the end find it. Also when the social services fitted a socket for my mother, I didn't get a minor works in spite of asking for it, and knowing the socket would fail as I had already tested it to see if RCD tripped and it did not, so if the council do not follow the rules, any wonder why electricians don't follow the rules?

So I would not worry about it.

[Neelix]

Interesting.

I’d like to see what’s inside that new box

[muggins12]

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[muggins12]

Neelix,

[Neelix]

So that should have been accompanied by an EIC and if you are in England or Wales a part p compliance certificate

[kellys_eye]

we have recently had an EICR report done with no major issues so hope this will be enough for the buyers.

Indeed it should.

[Neelix]

we have recently had an EICR report done with no major issues so hope this will be enough for the buyers.

Indeed it should.

I’ve found that solicitor’s are digging for part p compliance work if they suspect it should be in place.

[muggins12]

I think we'll have to be up front with our solicitor and say we weren't provided it, can't get in touch with the original electrician and it wasn't logged with LA. Maybe offer indemnity insurance, don't know what else we can do. I may see how we can pursue the electrician as you can imagine we are livid now that we understand the implications, we've been naive unfortunately.

[kellys_eye]

I’ve found that solicitor’s are digging for part p compliance work if they suspect it should be in place.

That's just solicitors pushing their greed for money by introducing non-required delay tactics. If you have an up-to-date EICR report then it covers ALL of the installation from the date of validation. IF any work has been done AFTER that time then ok, certification (of whatever kind) will be necessary and rightfully so but unless it can be PROVEN that additional work has been done then the solicitors are guilty of creating a catch-22 situation and should be told to f-c- off.

[Neelix]

I think we'll have to be up front with our solicitor and say we weren't provided it, can't get in touch with the original electrician and it wasn't logged with LA. Maybe offer indemnity insurance, don't know what else we can do. I may see how we can pursue the electrician as you can imagine we are livid now that we understand the implications, we've been naive unfortunately.

I suspect you or your buyers will be persuaded to buy an indemnity policy

[muggins12]

Thinking about it, the fuse box is in the cellar, with cabling visible and running straight up to the kitchen. Maybe an LA inspection along with the EICR would be enough to get them to sign it off, but I understand if i bring it to their attention then I wouldn't be able to get an indemnity policy.

[Someone-Else]

Thinking about it, the fuse box is in the cellar, with cabling visible and running straight up to the kitchen. Maybe an LA inspection along with the EICR would be enough to get them to sign it off

Nope.
As the cable could have multiple joints, been gnawed etc, it has to be tested.

BUT as you have an EICR and all passed? give them that and tell them if they don't want the place tell them to go buy somewhere else.

I see often solicitors are asking for things that do not apply, said items do exist, but don't always apply, and an EICR covers everything. (So long as it mentions everthing)

[Grumps]

Solicitors are like any other Business. If they smell the opportunity to 'sell' you something [for commission] then they will.

I was once made aware of a Solicitors' Business that was or sale. One of the salient selling points listed was the number of Wills they held. For a Solicitor, Probate is almost a Licence to 'Print Money'. The bereaved are oft not in an emotional state to question costs and if they do, then those costs have already been incurred (and can be justified).

I have dealt with the Probate of a relative. It is actually quite easy and doesn't cost a lot.

In essence, NEVER appoint a Solicitor as an Executor.

[muggins12]

well the EICR has a few C3s but I assume this would be normal for a house that has not been rewired recently.
Interestingly the following answers appear in the report. The work we had done was 4 years ago (we've lived here for 6) so we did consider ticking 'no' to having made any electrical alterations but I don't like lying :-(

Estimated age of the wiring system 20+Years
Evidence of additions or alterations ? Yes
If yes, estimated age 10 Years
Installation records available ? (Regulation 651.1) Yes