Getting an EIC certificate

rapidnailer07 · Post by **rapidnailer07** » Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:55 pm

I've gotten an electrician in to do an electric installation with an EIC certificate. I've gotten a private building control company who are doing the inspection.

When I asked the electrician about the process of getting the EIC certificate and getting it to the private building control company, he said that the process was for him to send it to the local council building control and then they would send it to me. I would then forward it to the private building control company.

However, when I asked the same question to the private building control company, they said that I should get the EIC directly from the electrician and forward it to them.

Which one is correct? Are they both correct in which case, either way is fine?

Thanks in advance

Someone-Else · Post by **Someone-Else** » Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:06 pm

The person doing the work is supposed to issue it to the person paying for the work.
e.g. Electrician doing a job at a house for a builder, builder gets certificate.
Electrician doing a job at a house for the owner, owner, gets certificate.

rapidnailer07 · Post by **rapidnailer07** » Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:10 pm

Someone-Else wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:06 pm The person doing the work is supposed to issue it to the person paying for the work.
e.g. Electrician doing a job at a house for a builder, builder gets certificate.
Electrician doing a job at a house for the owner, owner, gets certificate.

Ah okay, I'll chase up with my electrician directly. Thanks for the super quick reply.

Neelix · Post by **Neelix** » Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:50 pm

Your electrician is mistaken .

He should send the original EIC to you. Is he a member of a CPS and if so what about the Part P compliance certificate?

rapidnailer07 · Post by **rapidnailer07** » Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:58 pm

Neelix wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:50 pm Part P compliance certificate

Neelix wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:50 pm Your electrician is mistaken .

He should send the original EIC to you. Is he a member of a CPS and if so what about the Part P compliance certificate?

Yes, he's a member of the NICEIC. Doh, didn't even know there was a Part P compliance certificate? I thought it was just an EIC certificate that I needed.

Neelix · Post by **Neelix** » Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:48 pm

rapidnailer07 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:58 pm
Neelix wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:50 pm Part P compliance certificate
Neelix wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:50 pm Your electrician is mistaken .

He should send the original EIC to you. Is he a member of a CPS and if so what about the Part P compliance certificate?
Yes, he's a member of the NICEIC. Doh, didn't even know there was a Part P compliance certificate? I thought it was just an EIC certificate that I needed.

No , he needs to send you both and if he says he doesn’t, get his NICEIC registration number off him and call them. If he refuses to give you his NICEIC number, then there are ways to look home up

BTW, the part P applies to England and Wales, but not Scotland or NI

Hope this helps

ericmark · Post by **ericmark** » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:50 pm

A copy of the EIC can be sent to the LABC to get a completion certificate or on line the electrician can inform his scheme provider and they issue a compliance certificate.

If the builder is doing the work the completion certificate can be either requiring an EIC or a compliance certificate it depends on a tick box, I have seen problems when electrician thought LABC was doing the electrical inspection, and they thought it was being done through the scheme.

rapidnailer07 · Post by **rapidnailer07** » Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:33 am

So just to be clear, for an existing domestic house in England that is undergoing a full electrical rewire. I should get an EIC certificate and a Part P certificate. Are there any other electrical certificates that I should be getting?

Neelix · Post by **Neelix** » Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:09 am

rapidnailer07 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:33 am So just to be clear, for an existing domestic house in England that is undergoing a full electrical rewire. I should get an EIC certificate and a Part P certificate. Are there any other electrical certificates that I should be getting?

No. Request this in writing from the spark and see how he responds

ericmark · Post by **ericmark** » Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:42 pm

In England a full rewire and the electrician should present you with an insulation certificate. But not always.

But there are two ways to inform LABC of the work, either is permissible.

1) The electrician is a scheme member and they inform their scheme provider who in turns sends you a compliance certificate. So EIC comes direct from electrician and compliance through the post.
2) Before the work starts you inform the LABC (or the electrician can do that for you) the LABC can decide to accept an EIC from the electrician, or they can decide to inspect themselves, or they can appoint a third part to inspect for them. If the electricians EIC is acceptable then you get both the EIC and the completion certificate, but the LABC does not need to forward and EIC or EICR to you, all you NEED is the completion certificate.

There is not such thing as Part P certificate or Part P qualified. Part P is the building regulation which says what is required.

There are some anomalies, in England not Wales, the only things which required notifying are fitting a new consumer unit, work in the bathroom zones, and new circuits. But a consumer unit is a type tested distribution unit, so if anything is done which is not approved by the manufacture then it removes the approved status, which is silly I know, but fit another manufactures bell transformer and it is no longer a consumer unit.

Also the new circuit, is the old story of the 500 year old axe, it has had new heads, and also new stale, but not together so still the same axe, how anyone can really define a new circuit beats me.

So one knows it's wrong, but can't prove it is wrong.

Neelix · Post by **Neelix** » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:28 pm

This is from the current version of BS 7671

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ericmark · Post by **ericmark** » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:48 pm

A scheme member electrician agrees with the scheme provider to comply with BS 7671. However a non scheme member does not need to follow BS 7671, the building regulations were written to allow for any European standard to be used, so for example a Polish electrician could wire to Polish standards, which would be handy for Polish workers as it would mean all there appliances would work without changing the plugs.

The result is when not done by a scheme member the original EIC if completed is sent to the LABC, they do not need to give you a copy, all you get is the completion certificate.

I personally think you should get a copy of the EIC, but the guides say the LABC does NOT need to pass on a copy to you, all they must give you is the completion certificate.

Neelix · Post by **Neelix** » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:04 pm

ericmark wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:48 pm A scheme member electrician agrees with the scheme provider to comply with BS 7671. However a non scheme member does not need to follow BS 7671, the building regulations were written to allow for any European standard to be used, so for example a Polish electrician could wire to Polish standards, which would be handy for Polish workers as it would mean all there appliances would work without changing the plugs.

The result is when not done by a scheme member the original EIC if completed is sent to the LABC, they do not need to give you a copy, all you get is the completion certificate.

I personally think you should get a copy of the EIC, but the guides say the LABC does NOT need to pass on a copy to you, all they must give you is the completion certificate.

Nonsense. ALL uk wiring has to be to BS 7671

ericmark · Post by **ericmark** » Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:06 am

Neelix wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:04 pm
ericmark wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:48 pm A scheme member electrician agrees with the scheme provider to comply with BS 7671. However a non scheme member does not need to follow BS 7671, the building regulations were written to allow for any European standard to be used, so for example a Polish electrician could wire to Polish standards, which would be handy for Polish workers as it would mean all there appliances would work without changing the plugs.

The result is when not done by a scheme member the original EIC if completed is sent to the LABC, they do not need to give you a copy, all you get is the completion certificate.

I personally think you should get a copy of the EIC, but the guides say the LABC does NOT need to pass on a copy to you, all they must give you is the completion certificate.
Nonsense. ALL uk wiring has to be to BS 7671

114.1 The Regulations are non-statutory. They may, however, be used in a court of law in evidence to
claim compliance with a statutory requirement. The relevant statutory provisions are listed in Appendix 2 and
include Acts of Parliament and Regulations made thereunder. In some cases statutory Regulations may be
accompanied by Codes of Practice approved under Section 16 of the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974. The
legal status of these Codes is explained in Section 17 of the 1974 Act.
For a supply given in accordance with the Electricity Safety, Quality and Continuity Regulations 2002, it shall be
deemed that the connection with Earth of the neutral of the supply is permanent. Outside England, Scotland and
Wales, confirmation shall be sought from the distributor that the supply conforms to requirements corresponding to
those of the Electricity Safety, Quality and Continuity Regulations 2002, in this respect. Where the ESQCR do not
apply, equipment for isolation and switching shall be selected accordingly as specified in Chapter 53.

Neelix · Post by **Neelix** » Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:35 am

^^ You can't use the non statutory aspect of BS 7671

My photo above is from BS 7671 18th Ed and states that the owner of the property should receive a copy of the EIC ............ whether they ordered the work or not which I interpret as my responsibility to provide the owner of the property with the EIC,