I have a theory (new conspiracy thread)

dewaltdisney · Post by **dewaltdisney** » Wed Aug 24, 2022 7:31 am

That a lot of the current unrest has been caused by Russians. Certainly, the Unions have always been controlled by Moscow in the past and I doubt that has changed. The issue that stand out for me is the demise of Boris Johnson, almost similar to Maggie, in that there was so much lefty effort to get rid of him as he was too popular to see any chance of Labour ever winning the next election. I suspect that Putin is livid that our military aid has helped knock out so much of his equipment and stalled his invasion of Ukraine. He must be looking for retribution as he has now lost all the credibility of his 'invincible' armed forces which have been pretty useless so far.

The union leaders have all been commie supporters in the past and even in the second world war shipbuilders in Scotland were striking until Britain allied itself to Russia and the strikes stopped the next day on orders from Moscow. The union workers have always been gullible and easily lead and take all the hardships that no income brings to their families. Look at the miners, and then look at Scargill, I am alright jack in his million pounds apartment in the Barbican, miners finished. Felixtowe dockworkers will hasten robots taking over the unloading process and unemployment for them..

These tw*ts never learn.

DWD

Argyll · Post by **Argyll** » Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:41 am

dewaltdisney wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 7:31 am The union workers have always been gullible and easily lead and take all the hardships that no income brings to their families.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

oz0707 · Post by **oz0707** » Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:45 am

I dunno dwd I'm pretty right wing in my views but I thought bojo was bad news after a while. I voted for him but soon turned to not like him. His handling of corona pissed me off then he literally can not be trusted to tell the truth. The bloke is a serial liar. I'm not happy about either of the 2 replacing him. Ahwell crack on with life eh

toolbox · Post by **toolbox** » Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:35 pm

Thinking the same thing today. Like most people I feel a fair days pay for a fair days work, and bosses are nibbling away at working conditions (5 day week, time and a half overtime, double time Sunday, double time Bank holiday and a day off in lieu!) What will happen is support will wane once the public suffer, imagine power cuts and a 3 day week like the 70's. No Wi-fi, Sky box not recording, all the "Smart appliances going off line for several hours time after time, supply shortages. Maggie had support to kick the unions into touch because people were fed up. Lets not return to the days of Red Robbo and Scargill please.

aeromech3 · Post by **aeromech3** » Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:23 pm

I left the country in 1970's because I could not further my career, despite my qualifications, I could only join a union which represented unskilled workers, when I joined an Association instead, the Co. hauled me into the Personnel Office because they benefited by this divide. We lost so much of the container business to Rotterdam because of the stevedore union strike attitudes, now they are threatening their future again. We have good reserves of coal but by previous union actions vis Gov't and now wind hugging environmentalists, we even rely on LPG shipped from Australia to keep the lights burning. The Railways have always been a comfortable employer, lets face how many wanted to be Engine drivers; I tried to get an Apprenticeship with them in 1965, failed my not so bight mate, Son of an employee, got in. I boarded a Great Western, only 3 cars, driver , guard and ticket inspector and for 3 stations in both directions, do leave off, there were more passengers in my local bus to get to the station and only a driver. Do we see the environmentalists canvassing Strikers or picketing stations in support of commuters, No!
Rant over thanks DWD.

Megaross · Post by **Megaross** » Sat Aug 27, 2022 3:21 pm

Russia is about as right wing as they come these days. You won't find unions supporting the ruskies these days. But true to say russia has been trying to destablise the west for some time - that's well known.

But unions? As far as I'm concerned the widespread lack of unions in this country has led to wage erosion and huge corporations squeezing out the independent such that the independents left can't afford to pay any good. All while the very richest have bagged increasingly big profits.

And the trouble you've got as well, particularly where I'm at in the public sector - we can't hire anyone good because the money has gotten so poor. So budgets get blown on hiring insanely expensive contractors, and more often than not anyone we do hire who is any good they utilise the training and leave to become a contractor and come back at 4x what they were on. So there's the economics of public pay freezes for you.

People aren't striking for greed they're striking because the wages are so pitiful it's crucifying junior staff, demoralising senior staff and making it impossible to hire anyone.

So it's not quite as black and white unions good unions bad. It's like anything - you don't want too many or too few.

Says a lot about it this current Tory party that they've been through so many leaders. Would labour be better? I don't know. You're always voting to bite into the least disgusting sh*t sandwich in this ridiculous 2 party system so I'd prefer them to the torys about now.

These two replacing boris? Jesus, right pair of spivs. Our economy is up the spout, we haven't seen inflation so bad since the last time the tories were in.

Rorschach · Post by **Rorschach** » Sun Aug 28, 2022 7:57 am

Unions tend to get militant when their time is up, they don't realise this of course and it's usually the early days but instead of working with the companies to improve efficiency and make them more appealing and profitable (normally needing fewer but more highly skilled workers) they instead go on strike and shoot themselves in the foot.

Miners did it, shipbuilders did it, steelworkers did it, car makers did it, the list goes on. The latest are the railway workers. Passenger railway (except in a few niche sectors) is in decline, people either prefer alternative modes of transport or simply don't need the transport at all. Railway workers should be collaborating to improve the service to provide something that people want to use, can afford to use and can rely on. Instead they doing things that makes trains miserable, unreliable and they have long been too expensive. They are shooting themselves in the foot and soon the railways will be like the mines, the shipyards etc.

Megaross · Post by **Megaross** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:08 am

Railways are in decline?

Are you mad? Commuter trains are still high in demand and weekends see trains packed out for sports, shopping and weekend getaways.

What with the widespread overpopulation of the UK trains and public transport are going to become the only viable option for many because the roads are so ridiculously busy.

I know folks who work in the railways, same problem we've got - pays so poor they can't get staff in and that leads to constant let down of service. When you're working your b*llocks off and barely keeping the lights on what other option have you got?

Rorschach · Post by **Rorschach** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:43 am

Railways have never recovered even close to prepandemic levels and their use was declining year on year before that anyway. Most rail use is in very concentrated areas such as London and it massively skews the figures. Of course London and maybe some other major urban areas will see trains continue, maybe even increase but across the nation they will not.

dewaltdisney · Post by **dewaltdisney** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:07 pm

This is an interesting read https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... sheet-2021 The drop in numbers is blamed on Covid but I am not sure that stacks up.

DWD

Rorschach · Post by **Rorschach** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 2:23 pm

dewaltdisney wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:07 pm This is an interesting read <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... 2021</span> The drop in numbers is blamed on Covid but I am not sure that stacks up.

DWD

Rail use was dropping before Covid and was dropping quite a lot in mist areas of the country. It's only stable or increasing numbers in the London area that was boosting the figures. Covid really took a hit and the fact that even commuting hasn't returned to anywhere near prepandemic levels should be making the railway worker sit up and take notice, but instead of course they are doing everything they can to put people off using trains.