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hi
can some help please
just bought a new oven and grill not realising it will not run off a 3 pin socket
so my new oven is a 4,4kw
in my last house I ran a 10mm shower cable as my shower was 9kw and installed a 45MCB at the circuit board
my question is can I run a 6mm cable and install a 40MCB at circuit board ?
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thanks paul
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just like to confirm cable run will be around 6M run
under floorboards then down in trucking
just read up on this site can you confirm I could use a 6mm cable and use a 32mcb
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Does the new oven have a plug on it? What do the manufacturers instructions say about the electrical installation?
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paul777 wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:29 am my question is can I run a 6mm cable and install a 40MCB at circuit board ?
Answer is dependent on your skill and were you live and if you mind breaking the law, or are prepared to pay silly sums to the LABC.

New circuits in England and Wales need notifying, and in Wales kitchens are special locations, personally unless a rental property I would not worry, how will they find out? But the question is "Can I".

To upgrade a home every time the regulations change is not required, but any new work must comply to current regulations, as to if you can use the RCD as type AC not type A is a matter for debate, and I would not worry about it, however an inspector could require it to be changed. Since a new circuit should be protected with a type A.

A B40 MCB to work on the magnetic side needs 5 x 40 amp to flow, plus 5% for safety, so the loop impedance needs to be better than 1.1 Ω and the meters to measure that are expensive, so step one is get out the EICR done when you moved in and see what the readings were, you should see on there if there is likely a problem.

But you only need 20 amp so why not fit a B20 MCB? The cheap plug in tester with loop will normally measure 1.9 Ω so the tester costs just £50 not £250 OK would need to temp fit a socket to use tester, but it would keep the cost down.

In theory to DIY electrics will cost more than getting some one in, due to the cost of test equipment and notification, we all known most people don't bother, and unless you injure some one doing the work, there is very little chance of getting caught, but for any one to say on an open forum you can break the law, is clearly wrong, so most people never ask "Can I".
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thanks for your reply's
just found a spare 32mcb
the cable from the oven is 6mm
just wondering the security alarm is dismantled
would it be wise to put the new 32mcb in the slot
or to the left of the dinning room socket
also want to install a oven socket with a 3 pin socket attached as i have a microwave above oven in a larder unit
thanks for any advice
paul
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MCB sizes are selected to match the cable, so 1 mm² good for around 13 amp so normally has a 6 amp MCB as often for lights and ceiling roses are used as junction boxes and they are often rated at 6 amp. With 1.5 mm² again often used for lighting but rated around 16 amp so some times used for a dedicated circuit.

2.5 mm² is the standard cable used for sockets, as a radial rated just over 20 amp so expect a 20 amp MCB, but as a ring final rated at 32 amp.

These are all approximate as installation method changes rating, and there is either a loop impedance or prospective short circuit current to consider, and also volt drop, radials can use 4 mm² or 6 mm² and use same MCB as a ring final.

Also cables buried in the wall, or supplying a bathroom, or sockets normally need RCD protection since 2008. The regulations are not retrospective, but anything new must comply, so since the oven is new, it needs to comply.

In Wales the work is notifiable, and a minor works certificate should be raised, yes I know many don't, but I still need to make you aware paper work should be raised. I don't care if you do or not, as long as you know you should fill it in.

The MCB's one the not RCD protected side can be easy changed to RCBO's however it looks like a plastic consumer unit, and also the blanks look like push fit type, the rules say you should need a tool to remove, if you can't remove without a tool they are OK, as to fitting a surge protection device (SPD) likely would need some internal re-configuring and not happy telling anyone to play inside the consumer unit.

The RCD fitted is type AC and we should now be using type A, my own CU has all type AC RCBO's but I should at least tell you, I have noted some appliances now state they need type A, Bosch boilers for example.
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