Electric vehicles running out of road?

dewaltdisney · Post by **dewaltdisney** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 3:56 pm

I have been keeping an eye on electric cars as a matter of interest. Personally, I have never been on board with all the eco b*llocks justification and now it would appear that the public is losing confidence as sales of EV's are diminishing as awareness is growing of the exorbitant losses to be had. Tesla knocked £20k off the new price of their top models which has obviously hit residual values in addition to the fact that the battery life warranty is around 4 years or 100,000 miles. If out of warranty the battery goes there is no private market to repair them and a main dealer will charge £20 to £40K to replace one which depresses the value of a four year old to zero. Add to this the cost of a a recharge at a street charger will cost around £40 for 300 miles (about the same as petrol and an overnight home electric charge will be around £15 depending on tariff, the running cost equation just does not stack up. A chap I know has a Mokka EV, about two years old, he got offered silly money in Part ex for a new petrol.

Does anyone with experience able to confirm, deny, or add to this?

DWD

wine~o · Post by **wine~o** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:26 pm

dewaltdisney wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 3:56 pm Does anyone with experience able to confirm, deny, or add to this?

The Battery and Drive Unit in your vehicle are covered for a period of:

Model S
Model X 8 years or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
Model 3 Rear-Wheel Drive
Model 3 Long Range Rear-Wheel Drive
Model Y Rear-Wheel Drive 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
Model 3 Long Range
Model 3 Performance
Model Y Long Range
Model Y Performance 8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.

*Taken from Teslas website.

I used to follow some chap on you tube who had a Nissan leaf, had it for about 8 years and it would still charge to 90 summat %.

Chatging on a public network is never going to be a "cheap" option. With a home charger the figures you quote are meaningless and will save ££££££££'s compared to petrol or Diesel, many electrickery suppliers offer special rates for EV owners as well.

Zero tax, minimal servicing costs (no oil or filter changes etc.)

I dunno where you got your info from???

dewaltdisney · Post by **dewaltdisney** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:48 pm

If you can be arsed to watch this video which underlines the EV second hand value trend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpIPUYM5rYQ. The battery warranty periods I just got from things I read so I am not sure if they are accurate which is why I asked the question. The Mokka value is actually mentioned in the video so it was an accurate reflection of trade in offered to my pal.

The home charge cost would vary I am sure.

DWD

etaf · Post by **etaf** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:53 pm

i know when my uncle purchased hes Toyota CHR or something in 2018 , hybrid (had loads of issue with flat batteries and had to put on a trickle charge if left unused for a few days!!!! ) he passed away during covid. - if he had it serviced by Toyota then the batteries were under warranty for 10years , otherwise it was 5years

wine~o · Post by **wine~o** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:59 pm

dewaltdisney, ah . an article by the daily Fail (known EV haters and someone who takes them at their word and makes a video about it...

dewaltdisney · Post by **dewaltdisney** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:54 pm

The values were from CAP the motor trade bible.

DWD

Bob225 · Post by **Bob225** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:58 pm

etaf wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:53 pm i know when my uncle purchased hes Toyota CHR or something in 2018 , hybrid (had loads of issue with flat batteries and had to put on a trickle charge if left unused for a few days!!!! ) he passed away during covid. - if he had it serviced by Toyota then the batteries were under warranty for 10years , otherwise it was 5years

12v AGM batteries had issues, not the main traction battery, supply issue compounded matters TBH the traction batteries do last well 15 years and 300k miles isn't unheard of, the newer cars have even better range 80-90mpg thanks to 20+ years of development (1999 prius)

with EV the biggest issue is infrastructure - they looked at a HGV fleet of 30, 40t trucks would need 80-120 Megawatts whereas the factory building said truck uses 2.5 MW - to put that in perspective 1mwh is enough to power 2000 homes

it's not viable for mass adoption

Rorschach · Post by **Rorschach** » Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:26 am

Many of those who want/can make best use of EV's have already got them. For the majority of drivers they do not make economic or practical sense.

To get the best you need to drive regularly, but shorter distances. You need a driveway and the ability to get a EV specific tariff from your electricity supplier. If you do more than 1 or 2 "proper" journeys a year then you also need a ICE second vehicle.

If you don't meet these criteria then an EV is going to save you very little money for an awful lot of added hassle. It's not going to be very long before VED is replaced with some form of pay per mile system and EV's will then lose their exemption and become more comparable cost wise to ICE.

Personally if I were in a position to run 2 cars, and had a driveway charger then I would gladly have an EV as a second vehicle for commuting, shopping, day trips etc and save the ICE for holidays and longer trips. However we only have need for 1 vehicle, we have a parking space but no means of home charging and we do several 400 mile+ trips a year for work and holidays. Therefore we bought an efficient ICE which while it might be more expensive to run than an EV, the £10k-15+ saving on the purchase price pays for an awful lot of petrol! I think I worked out I could do 8-10k miles a year on current petrol price for almost 10 years before we reached the purchase price of the nearest comparable EV that might have suited us and that was assuming we paid nothing to charge the EV, which of course is not realistic.

dewaltdisney · Post by **dewaltdisney** » Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:41 am

I follow Harry's Farm and Garage channels on YouTube and I like his clear insights into various related issues. His latest car video is on EV's and gives a very good view if you can be arsed to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZysvgm2_Aw

DWD

fin · Post by **fin** » Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:54 pm

dunno what its like where you lot live...

in south shields there is areas of the town where there are rows of victorian terraced housing or tyneside flats ( so looks like a victorian style house but 2 front doors one for downstairs one for upstairs) a lot of these houses dont have a backyard big enough to get a car into. often you cant park outside your own house. youd be knackered if you had an electric car with one of those houses if you wanted to charge over night or whatever