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dubman2 wrote:I'm not sure if peelstop would work as i've never used it in this situation..strip paint,give it a light sand.Then apply a thinned down coat of contract matt emulsion then 2 coats of your chosen paint

I am not sure about peel stop either as like you I have not used it. It is meant to create a membrane which then stops the next coats of paint penetrating and wetting the surface below. What will happen when peel stop is applied though (where I am trying to paint now I got bubbling where I was trying to fill previously scrapped bubbles...)? or if the membrane is broken as with cracks? Anyway, it sounds like an irrelevant issue now.

If the paster is dry he does not need contract matt. Any emulsion (contract matt, vinyl or even acrylic) will do as long as it is appropriately diluted (or so the Crown spec sheets have it, others may differ).

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slacky wrote:I'm struggling to get a solid edge just seems like it wants to keep flaking.

no I got a plasterer to do the work. Not to happy really as cracks started appearing everywhere same as in the bedrooms. He seemed genuine enough took his time gave it 2 skims but still cracking

My dad did the painting, he's been in the painting game for a good 30 years. He only put the paint straight on the newly plaster because on the tin it said was good to use on newly plastered walls and plus I'm his son who wasn't paying him lol

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Not having a go mate, but if your old man's been in the painting game for 30 years then he should know to put a mist coat on regardless of what it says on the tin.

I had similar problems at home with plaster. I had my walls skimmed but they skimmed over loose bits rather than knocking off back to the brick. I ended up lining my walls because the cracks just kept reappearing.

Best thing you can do with the loose paint is scrape it back and start again with a mist coat.

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fully understand where your coming from. My dad's a very good painter I don't doubt his work for one minute he's always got plenty of work on and paints new builds regularly with no complaints.

I'm not a painter so cannot comment Wether it sound of been miscoated or not but out of the 3 bedrooms and Hall way the hall ways the only one where the paints flaked but endurance paint was used on the hall way

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fitzy wrote:

slacky wrote:I'm struggling to get a solid edge just seems like it wants to keep flaking.

no I got a plasterer to do the work. Not to happy really as cracks started appearing everywhere same as in the bedrooms. He seemed genuine enough took his time gave it 2 skims but still cracking

My dad did the painting, he's been in the painting game for a good 30 years. He only put the paint straight on the newly plaster because on the tin it said was good to use on newly plastered walls and plus I'm his son who wasn't paying him lol

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Not having a go mate, but if your old man's been in the painting game for 30 years then he should know to put a mist coat on regardless of what it says on the tin.

I had similar problems at home with plaster. I had my walls skimmed but they skimmed over loose bits rather than knocking off back to the brick. I ended up lining my walls because the cracks just kept reappearing.

Best thing you can do with the loose paint is scrape it back and start again with a mist coat.

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fully understand where your coming from. My dad's a very good painter I don't doubt his work for one minute he's always got plenty of work on and paints new builds regularly with no complaints.

I'm not a painter so cannot comment Wether it sound of been miscoated or not but out of the 3 bedrooms and Hall way the hall ways the only one where the paints flaked but endurance paint was used on the hall way

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The fact that your dad does newbuilds for a living makes the lack of a mist coat even worse mate.

A mist coat on new plaster is an absolute MUST to avoid the problem you're now facing.

As your dad's such a good decorator, how come you're not asking him to come back and sort it btw?



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fitzy wrote:

slacky wrote:

fitzy wrote:

slacky wrote:I'm struggling to get a solid edge just seems like it wants to keep flaking.

no I got a plasterer to do the work. Not to happy really as cracks started appearing everywhere same as in the bedrooms. He seemed genuine enough took his time gave it 2 skims but still cracking

My dad did the painting, he's been in the painting game for a good 30 years. He only put the paint straight on the newly plaster because on the tin it said was good to use on newly plastered walls and plus I'm his son who wasn't paying him lol

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Not having a go mate, but if your old man's been in the painting game for 30 years then he should know to put a mist coat on regardless of what it says on the tin.

I had similar problems at home with plaster. I had my walls skimmed but they skimmed over loose bits rather than knocking off back to the brick. I ended up lining my walls because the cracks just kept reappearing.

Best thing you can do with the loose paint is scrape it back and start again with a mist coat.

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fully understand where your coming from. My dad's a very good painter I don't doubt his work for one minute he's always got plenty of work on and paints new builds regularly with no complaints.

I'm not a painter so cannot comment Wether it sound of been miscoated or not but out of the 3 bedrooms and Hall way the hall ways the only one where the paints flaked but endurance paint was used on the hall way

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The fact that your dad does newbuilds for a living makes the lack of a mist coat even worse mate.

A mist coat on new plaster is an absolute MUST to avoid the problem you're now facing.

As your dad's such a good decorator, how come you're not asking him to come back and sort it btw?



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there's always people who have to start taking things off topic. I made a thread to try rectify the problem not to start questioning my dad's work.

if no one's got any suggestions then don't post simply as that

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slacky wrote:I'm struggling to get a solid edge just seems like it wants to keep flaking.

no I got a plasterer to do the work. Not to happy really as cracks started appearing everywhere same as in the bedrooms. He seemed genuine enough took his time gave it 2 skims but still cracking

If the cracks are part of movements of the house or whatever they would not get any better by being plastered. The same by being filled. They should be taped and plastered or taped and filled and or taped and use flexible fillers.

As far as getting a solid edge on the paint use a small (narrow) scraper like so: http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p96313?table=no (the middle one of the three). It will have a fairly blunt edge. Using your finger tips and being as gentle as possible run it along the bare plaster and bump the paint. The loose bits will come off. You do not try to push it under the paint as it will then come off.

Judging by the photos you have not lost that "much paint" yet because of flaking. Stop being a chicken

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I would leave your father out of it. He know what he knows, it is now about what you learn.

Some paint says for "new plaster" but that is meaningless marketing. You need non-vinyl and non-acrylic paints for new plaster that is potentially still drying out. If the plaster is dry any emulsion will do (as I said on my other comment it applies to Crown trade paints) but in either case paints need dilution with clean water (how much dilution is another story). Crown (again), for example, make only one paint that can be used on new plaster without dilution, recommended for work where there is no easy clean water availability.

BTW. I have no shares in Crown, but the nurse told me I have a fetish about reading paint specification sheets.

fitzy wrote:As your dad's such a good decorator, how come you're not asking him to come back and sort it btw?

Sometimes being less perceptive can be a good thing. ;-)

slacky wrote:

fitzy wrote:

slacky wrote:

fitzy wrote:

slacky wrote:I'm struggling to get a solid edge just seems like it wants to keep flaking.

no I got a plasterer to do the work. Not to happy really as cracks started appearing everywhere same as in the bedrooms. He seemed genuine enough took his time gave it 2 skims but still cracking

My dad did the painting, he's been in the painting game for a good 30 years. He only put the paint straight on the newly plaster because on the tin it said was good to use on newly plastered walls and plus I'm his son who wasn't paying him lol

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Not having a go mate, but if your old man's been in the painting game for 30 years then he should know to put a mist coat on regardless of what it says on the tin.

I had similar problems at home with plaster. I had my walls skimmed but they skimmed over loose bits rather than knocking off back to the brick. I ended up lining my walls because the cracks just kept reappearing.

Best thing you can do with the loose paint is scrape it back and start again with a mist coat.

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fully understand where your coming from. My dad's a very good painter I don't doubt his work for one minute he's always got plenty of work on and paints new builds regularly with no complaints.

I'm not a painter so cannot comment Wether it sound of been miscoated or not but out of the 3 bedrooms and Hall way the hall ways the only one where the paints flaked but endurance paint was used on the hall way

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The fact that your dad does newbuilds for a living makes the lack of a mist coat even worse mate.

A mist coat on new plaster is an absolute MUST to avoid the problem you're now facing.

As your dad's such a good decorator, how come you're not asking him to come back and sort it btw?



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there's always people who have to start taking things off topic. I made a thread to try rectify the problem not to start questioning my dad's work.

if no one's got any suggestions then don't post simply as that

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I'm not taking anything off topic.

I'm telling you why your paint is failing.

It's basic stuff and I've given you some suggestions, like scrape back and mist coat the bare plaster.



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OchAye wrote:

fitzy wrote:As your dad's such a good decorator, how come you're not asking him to come back and sort it btw?

Sometimes being less perceptive can be a good thing. ;-)

I know mate, I'm cursed with it. Wish I hadn't learn my trade sometimes [WHITE SMILING FACE]

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I know mate, I'm cursed with it. Wish I hadn't learn my trade sometimes [WHITE SMILING FACE]

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Haha...that's a different subject all together.

fitzy wrote:I know mate, I'm cursed with it. Wish I hadn't learn my trade sometimes

You see I learned by necessity (father popped his cloggs when I was 11, mother got in a deccy once he was damn good with OB gloss but when the emulsion flaked he botched it up and made a runner). No sh*t he was painting on distemper. Mother had to trust me after that (13ish) as she could not afford otherwise. The rest is learning by screwing up like never "gloss" a door or wardrobe doors having as source a single light bulb. Next day I knew why chemical strippers were invented and so on and so forth. I can fcuk even now but at least I take pride in knowing quickly what I done wrong (if it was my full time job I would remember not to do the wrong thing). Just sayin...

Maybe the OP's dad is long retired and has forgotten some things.

there's always people who have to start taking things off topic. I made a thread to try rectify the problem not to start questioning my dad's work.

Your dad's work is the most likely reason you have this problem. If your dad had followed best practice then he would have mist-coated the new plaster and you most likely wouldn't have this problem. People aren't questioning your dad's work to offend you or your dad, they are simply pointing out the error so you can take the correct action to put it right.

Here are my suggestions:

1) If you want a quick fix that might or might not work and probably won't not last long term and probably won't survive redecorating in the future, paint the walls with a coat of Zinsser Peel Stop and then two coats of your preferred emulsion.

2) If you want a proper fix that will last forever, swallow your pride about your dad's poor work practice and peel all the emulsion off, carefully so as not to damage the plaster underneath, paint the plaster with a mist-coat, and then paint with two coats of your preferred emulsion.

Finally, not liking the answers that you receive is not the fault of the people providing those answers. It is your pride getting in the way, that's all.

i wonder if an oil based primer/sealer would work to seal it completely.,But we all know the best option would be to scrape it all off & start again.AS for the bedrooms they'll be ok until he decides to redecorate them in a few years..still quiet shocked that a professional decorator didn't mist coat the walls in the first place even if it was his father.Its just bad practice.

still quiet shocked that a professional decorator didn't mist coat the walls in the first place even if it was his father.Its just bad practice.

Or, heaven forbid, put a coat of PVA on it. (His dad has been in the business for 30 years and I understand PVA-ing new plaster was the norm back then...) Doing nothing to the new plaster, despite what it says on the tin, isn't acceptable for someone with 30 years experience.