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Formal report following visual safety check
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:10 pm
by rapidnailer07
What's the cheapest and quickest way to get a formal report detailing obvious electrical issues that would be identified from simple visual inspection? I don't need a full EICR report, something cheap but it does need to be a formal report on company headed paper.
Formal report following visual safety check
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:19 pm
by Someone-Else
You need an EICR, since it stands for Electrical Installation Condition Report is what you are asking for.
A good one is not cheap as they should go through everything you have checking, testing, taking readings, oh yes, and printing it out / email it for you.
I have to ask, why do you need it?
Not to forget, like most things, you get what you pay for.
Formal report following visual safety check
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:05 pm
by Neelix
rapidnailer07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:10 pm
What's the cheapest and quickest way to get a formal report detailing obvious electrical issues that would be identified from simple visual inspection? I don't need a full EICR report, something cheap but it does need to be a formal report on company headed paper.
Cheap, on headed paper
Hum. Are you trying to get one over somebody
Formal report following visual safety check
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:16 pm
by rapidnailer07
I need it as evidence for poor workmanship from the previous electrician. The mistakes are obvious from visual inspection so I'm not after a full EICR, I just need an electrician to state facts on the record from the visual inspection.
Formal report following visual safety check
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:08 pm
by Neelix
rapidnailer07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:16 pm
I need it as evidence for poor workmanship from the previous electrician. The mistakes are obvious from visual inspection so I'm not after a full EICR, I just need an electrician to state facts on the record from the visual inspection.
I think you'll find it difficult to find a spark, to put on paper, for not much money, critical observations about another spark.
Try asking a solicitor to sue a solicitor
Formal report following visual safety check
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:18 pm
by rapidnailer07
Neelix wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:08 pm
I think you'll find it difficult to find a spark, to put on paper, for not much money, critical observations about another spark.
Try asking a solicitor to sue a solicitor
I'm not doing the equivalent of asking a solicitor to sue another solicitor. Just asking for an electrician to state the facts from a visual inspection on a formal report. The mistakes are obvious so it doesn't need a full EICR type test.
Formal report following visual safety check
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:32 pm
by Someone-Else
rapidnailer07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:16 pmI need it as evidence for poor workmanship from the previous electrician. The mistakes are obvious from visual inspection so I'm not after a full EICR, I just need an electrician to state facts on the record from the visual inspection.
Put your self in electrician 2 shoes.
He "gives it a once over" and says this and that is wrong, BUT you have a fire and it turns out he "missed something" because you only wanted a "once over" but who's name says it is ok except for...... Electrician 2
Electrician 2 MUST carry out an EICR to establish what is wrong, AND anything else electrician 1 missed.
The other thing is, look at yourself and what you have said. (I do not personally know you, do I Neil
)
rapidnailer07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:10 pm a full EICR report, something
cheap
rapidnailer07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:16 pmI need it as evidence for
poor workmanship
So unless you want to tell me otherwise, it looks like, you got a cheap job done, and now you want to complain because it was not done right.
Formal report following visual safety check
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:36 pm
by Neelix
rapidnailer07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:18 pm
Neelix wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:08 pm
I think you'll find it difficult to find a spark, to put on paper, for not much money, critical observations about another spark.
Try asking a solicitor to sue a solicitor
Your first port of call is to their CPS, with you making a formal complaint
I'm not doing the equivalent of asking a solicitor to sue another solicitor. Just asking for an electrician to state the facts from a visual inspection on a formal report. The mistakes are obvious so it doesn't need a full EICR type test.
Formal report following visual safety check
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:46 pm
by rapidnailer07
I got a renovation company to do the work and they subcontract out the electrical work. However, seems like some guy from the company does the electrical work and then it's signed off by an electrician. The renovation company has ran off leaving things in an incomplete state including the electrics. I want to pursue the renovation company in court for their poor work but I need evidence to do that. I'll need to get all the electrical work done properly to bring it up to standard but for now I just need some written evidence from a qualified electrician. I'm not asking the electrician to make an exhaustive list of all the issues. Just a list of what they find from visual inspection. They can caveat their report with "there might be other issues that haven't been checked". I just need a log of the very big mistakes that are easily visually seen.
Formal report following visual safety check
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:00 pm
by Neelix
rapidnailer07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:46 pm
I got a renovation company to do the work and they subcontract out the electrical work. However, seems like some guy from the company does the electrical work and then it's signed off by an electrician. The renovation company has ran off leaving things in an incomplete state including the electrics. I want to pursue the renovation company in court for their poor work but I need evidence to do that. I'll need to get all the electrical work done properly to bring it up to standard but for now I just need some written evidence from a qualified electrician. I'm not asking the electrician to make an exhaustive list of all the issues. Just a list of what they find from visual inspection. They can caveat their report with "there might be other issues that haven't been checked". I just need a log of the very big mistakes that are easily visually seen.
Your first port of call is their CPS ......... assuming they had one
And now you've declared you want this report to be used in a court of law, I for one would NOT get involved, for any sum of money you offered.
Your action is against the main contractor AND how many times do people need to told DO NOT allow an unskilled person to do the work.
Formal report following visual safety check
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:30 pm
by ericmark
To use one persons report to show another persons errors you need to have there qualifications to show they have the skill. I had same in reverse, the LABC wanted to have my work checked by some one else, and my son pointed out they would need to be higher qualified to myself for their word to be taken over mine. So the inspector would need a degree higher than mine.
So in the main one would use the scheme provider to show the electricians work was sub standard.
You need to show that the electrician doing the work in some way claimed to be a scheme member, be it written on his van, or headed paper, or even his website. Unless you can show he claimed to be a scheme member, you could well cause more problems than you cure.
I had a builder do my parents wet room, and they made a right mess of it, I thought all done above board, so step one was tell the local authority building control that I was taking over the job, however it transpired the builder had not told LABC anything, and the LABC inspector told us in no uncertain terms, it is down to the home owner to ensure the LABC is told about the work, and any fees paid, only if the electrician shows he is a scheme member does the LABC not need to be told before the work starts.
So instead of telling the LABC helping, we ended up being told off for not telling them before. It is a case of let him without sin throw the first stone. So step one is show the electrician was a scheme member, if you can't then forget it, as your the guilty party for not telling the LABC.
It is like some one running into your car when you have had too much to drink, they may be guilty, but you have to say nothing as if you do then you will get done for drinking and driving, seems wrong I know, but that's how it works.
Formal report following visual safety check
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:48 pm
by Neelix
OP - post a photo or two with you stating what you think is wrong and I’m sure you will get some comments
Formal report following visual safety check
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:50 pm
by Someone-Else
Neelix wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:48 pmOP - post a photo or two with you stating what you think is wrong and I’m sure you will get some comments
If he did post pictures he probably wood get some comments, but of what use will it be to him? (The OP) he has rightly said
rapidnailer07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:16 pm need an electrician to state facts
He then went on to say
rapidnailer07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:10 pmon company headed paper.
So as this is a forum a court would never believe that someone-else said the installation is (Insert adjective here)
This is just a (good) forum, we can only offer opinions and advice.
Formal report following visual safety check
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:19 am
by mudmouse
One route may be to contact one of the trade bodies, NICEIC, ELECSA or NAPIT and ask them for advice.
If the renovation company are reputable (looks unlikely) they should be a member of one - try and find out if they are.
The only other way is to approach one of the many electrical trade inspection and testing companies and ask them for a visual survey.
eg
http://www.multi-trade.co.uk/landlords_ ... eport.html
https://www.thepowerservice.co.uk/servi ... spections/
There will be others, this was a one-minute search on google.
Formal report following visual safety check
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:53 pm
by ericmark
rapidnailer07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:46 pm
I got a renovation company to do the work and they subcontract out the electrical work.
What I am not sure of, is if the work is sub-contracted, who has to ensure either the LABC is informed before the works starts, or selecting a scheme member to do the work.
I had a problem with parents house, once the LABC found out what had gone on, within a very short time the company who did the work stopped trading. What ever the council did, it seemed it caused the company to fold. This resulted in there being no one to claim any money back from, and I was left with the bill to correct the work.
As with you the electrician was sub-contracted, he seemed to be some one who was cards in for some one else, and doing the work as a foreigner, and had no test equipment, and like you some clear errors, but after he left the builder also did some electrical work, which was grossly sub standard. But we did not even know the name of the electrician, so there was nothing we could do, and it seemed likely he ended up not being paid when the main contractor went bump.
I wish I had never told the LABC, but at the time, I thought the builder had done everything correctly, so I thought the LABC already knew, the result was lucky not too bad, the inspector did not make us dig up the drains, he could have done, and he missed the fact the lintel was only supported on one side. I called in a builder friend to do lintel, rest we did our selves, both son and I are electricians.
However be warned, to try and take a company to court can end up making things worse not better.