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How would you hang this on the wall?
Okay, the answer to that may be as simple as some strong hooks.
But what if I also wanted to obscure the damned thing? Like, ensure it blended in to the white wall? I'd be reasonably happy with something looking like a tall white box sticking 15cm out of the wall, but not seeing all those wooden slats.

Bonus question - how would you do same for a thin mattress?

Maybe build something looking like a bookcase/cabinet, on the floor against the wall, ie a horizontal-oriented compartment to store both in?

Ooh, extra bonus idea/question - build the into a fold-out "Murphy" wall-bed for me (!), wherein either the frame alone (12cm depth) or the frame and mattress combined (27cm depth) could fold out off the wall - pulled from top, pivoting at the bottom - and then be secured back up. Still probably securing a white panel to the underside, to blend-in when folded up to the wall.

Any thoughts, please?

Have you a fantasy about sleeping in a prison cell I would build a unit to both hide and support the structure. It is easy enough to plan and build if you have basic tools available. Remember that you can get sheet materials cut to size at BnQ or timber yards so you can get the boards all to size before you kick off fixing them together. The whole fixed to the wall will create a frame and substantial support for the bed part. With careful measurement, you could fit your mattress held by straps to the bed frame.

DWD

my thought are you probably can't unless the hinges are only fixed to the side rails because the head and end do little other than hold the sides apart so wont in my opinion take the weight off half the bed and a mattress

would probably be easier to lay it long ways against the wall perhaps below a shelve with a curtain underneath

You could fabricate some arms to reinforce the frame and drop down legs.

DWD

dewaltdisney wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:51 pm I would build a unit to both hide and support the structure. It is easy enough to plan and build if you have basic tools available. Remember that you can get sheet materials cut to size at BnQ or timber yards so you can get the boards all to size before you kick off fixing them together. The whole fixed to the wall will create a frame and substantial support for the bed part. With careful measurement, you could fit your mattress held by straps to the bed frame.

Thanks for these thoughts. Good tip re cutters as I don’t have much equipment. Indeed, I’m pretty basic myself! I can’t quite visualise the structure or supporting you mention. More than just a storage cabinet - you think full fold-out is possible? I just realised a complicating factor - since the folding legs already come with that single bed frame, and woul dneed to fold out, it’s not clear how i could put a sheet on the bed underside, as the legs need to come through.

big-all wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 7:13 pmwould probably be easier to lay it long ways against the wall perhaps below a shelve with a curtain underneath

Understood. Thanks.

Some of these thoughts (and my own) have got me watching full-on videos on how to build your own murphy bed (eg https://youtube.com/watch?v=rIGQ0NAwY6g ... UXyZeIpR_i ). Building my own with fold-out legs may get around the issue of the above frame’s exsiting fold-out legs. But I wish I was even half-way competent to tackle such a thing.

Other points:

* Of one of two possible walls this could go on, the one emerging as my preferred location has about 220cm depth, wall-to-wall - enough for a bed frame of about 190-200cm, but it would be then be nice to build-in the side gaps to have it all look flush.
* Both walls are plasterboard.
* If this ever happened, it would be nice to also allow the top plank of the cabinet unit to fold up and away. Reason: in bed mode, it may be used as a sofa, and that length would probably get in the way of a head. However, I have a feeling that top piece has a structural role in the unit frame.

further comments
if space is very tight then a folding bed that turns into a table or sofa is far more efficient at space usage
a fold away bed sounds good but the footprint you gain when the bed is up is fully lost plus a bit more so where do you put the furniture when you need the floor space to drop it where as a table or sofa bed give you less furniture to move out the way

your frame will be perhaps 200mm off the wall and your bed frame will be 25mm each end longer than the matress
so 200+50+1900=2150 so tight but you need to drop the bed to the floor centrally at the foot end or the bed may twist and break as not properly supported

also iff your bed is 1950mm long and your ceilings are say 2350 high the highest the bed can be off the floor is 16 inches or 400m

big-all wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:23 pm further comments
if space is very tight then a folding bed that turns into a table or sofa is far more efficient at space usage
a fold away bed sounds good but the footprint you gain when the bed is up is fully lost plus a bit more so where do you put the furniture when you need the floor space to drop it where as a table or sofa bed give you less furniture to move out the way

Indeed. The room in question is the house’s third and final bedroom. It already has a computer desk and office chair. I fitted castors to the desk a couple of years ago, so it can roll away to in front of the window if needed.

This is a brilliant wall bed/desk combo because it’s the only one I’ve seen where the desk folds over and not under, meaning it could theoretically suit a desktop monitor and not just a laptop that disappears underneath - https://clei.co.uk/collections/home-off ... /cabrio-in But it’s very pricey.

I’m loathe to put a sofa bed in there because I think the sofa would take up too much floor space, I don’t want my home office to feel claustrophobic and 9 times out of 10 the need for a bed isn’t there. But I could imagine a folding wall bed that, when down, I sometimes sat on as a sofa, back against the wall, if the desk was rolled away. Mind, it’s even got me thinking of a fold-down wall desk. I built one for my son’s room a couple of years ago, but I currently have a heavy desktop iMac that isn’t portable while the desk is a sit-stand desk (not that I stand much). If I ever moved to a wall-mounted monitor, I could maybe imagine a murphy desk underneath. See https://i.imgur.com/QkAg7eU.jpg

big-all wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:23 pm your frame will be perhaps 200mm off the wall and your bed frame will be 25mm each end longer than the matress
so 200+50+1900=2150 so tight but you need to drop the bed to the floor centrally at the foot end or the bed may twist and break as not properly supported

also iff your bed is 1950mm long and your ceilings are say 2350 high the highest the bed can be off the floor is 16 inches or 400m

I’m coming around to the idea of a horizontal fold-away, rather than vertical. Thanks for the maths, though - the principles are useful.

as i say its a compromise if you do have a fold down bed where can you put the stuff occupying the area it drops into plus the additional floor space you need to stand on to use the bed its furniture and safely exit the room ??