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Hi,

iam looking to install my new kitchen lights - before i go ahead, im looking for some hints.. i have a rose on the roof as below..



this is my new light fitting..



As you can see, there is no room to have the rose and the lght fitting as the metal bar that attaches the fitting to the roof runs right across the middle. can anyone offer and advice on how i go about wiring this up!? [/img]

ok... have i stumped everyone!!

i have had a play around with the electrics off and found that the bar that fixes the unit to the roof will slip between the rose and the roof.



My next problem is that the light that is there now only has two wires - one live and one neutral. the wiring diagram for the new light suggests that i need an earth too.. i dont seem to have one of these!!! any ideas why?!

Hi iainiow,

You have an earth it's the Grn/Yel sheathing in the rose.

It's just the other light didn't have one/need one as its plastic.

Wire your new light through the ceiling rose cap fit the earth to where the other earths terminate in the block on the right (of the picture) replace the cap of the rose and you should be good to go.

I'm assuming of course that there is nothing wrong with your existing wiring.

What's the existing light load and what's the new one? How many watts is each?

i previously had a 60 watt bulb up there. the new unit has max 50 watt gu10 halogeon on it which slightly confuses me. I am guessing this is the max for each of the four halogen bulbs. will this be ok?


there are two terminals that the earth wire terminates to, one has two wires going in and one that only has one. does it matter which one I spur the earth wire from?

does anyone know?! sorry to hassle but i need to either sort this or put it back to standard before I loose the natural light!!

Sorry for delay, I was out at the merchants.

I think your earths are together on a single block with to screws. Go for the single it'll be easier to get your wire in.

I can't see a problem with the load. Are there any more lights on the same circuit?

hi ya, thanks for all of your help! Job done!!

spot on advice, I poped out and got a bit of three core wire and wired the terminals in with an earth neutral and a live and as the photos show, it all works fine!!







i was slightly suspect of the wire I bought earlier (the white clad 3 core stuff) as it wasnt a single piece of copper, but lots of strands - i guess it is ok as it works fine though!!

8-)

Let's wait for the sparks to confirm what I said was ok.

The other question is how many lights on the same circuit, if you pull the fuse and he new lights go out, how many others won't light? Add the watts up and let us know.

we dont have millions of lights as we only have a small flat - there are only 4 rooms with single bulbs and this room with the unit I have fitted today. that is the total lighting circuit

hopefully this will be ok..

Sounds fine.

Are you pleased with yourself now?

I would be!

Now back to plumbing that shower .

im very pleased!!! thankyou ever so much for your help!

Good luck with the shower... taps and the bathroom are my next jobs

I hope you screwed that bracket to the ceiling properly rather than just wedged it under the rose!

Also, I'm a bit worried by the fact that the internal wiring of the light has heat-resistance sleeving on it, and you've used normal PVC flex...

Dont worry about what BAS says, the sleeving may be heat resistant, but i suspect it is more for tidying the internal wiring of the light up. If it was all meant to be heat resistant then why have the manafacturers used a normal pvc connector block instead of a porcelain one then ??? What you have done is fine, and there is nothing wrong with it at all.Provided you have fixed the bar independantly to the ceiling and not justr wedged it undfer the existing rose then it looks fine to me.

Nick

hi,

thanks for your replies!

just to clarify, i have screwed the bar to the joist and attached everything firmly. that photo was done prior to me doing that bit of the job.

Thanks for your reasurance on the flex, the flex used by the manufacturer is a wierd stretchy almost fabric lick material. is this supposed to be heat resistant?

There is no mention of heat resistance in the instructions of the light fitting so i guess all is well!

I'm sure your new light fitting will be fine

And congratulations, you are the first person to come on here that has taken pictures and asked for help before removing all of the damn wires from the ceiling rose. Most of the questions on here are like " I have removed my light fitting and I have 3 black, three red and three green and yellow wires, can you please tell me were they all go?" ?