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Post by IDontBelieveIt »

... YOU or ME it would have been 5 years, at least, inside.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sout ... 909510.stm

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whats this old boys club; my boss was on about them too.... is it that mason stuff?

but i do agree 12 weeks; out in 6... life is cheap!
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That's Fuc$ing outrageous but not at all surprising. A young lady was jailed for 21 months recently for texting just before she drove into the back of a car killing the young girl driver, in both cases the sentence is not long enough.

When I first saw the reports concerning Lord Amhed and that he'd pleaded guilty at a magistrates court i knew the sentence would be light, but 12 weeks is a joke, he will probably be out with a tag tomorrow lunchtime.
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It says in the report he will serve six weeks in prison and six on licence, in the comfort of his country manor no doubt :angryfire: :angryfire:
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Raf wrote:whats this old boys club; my boss was on about them too.... is it that mason stuff?
Not sure of the origins of the expression, I think it goes back to the good old days of men only clubs in London. Here politicians, rich businessmen and the Upper Crust like Lord Sleaze Mandleson would meet up for dinner and loads of booze. All sorts of things were discussed and laws passed based on what was discussed at these meetings.

Example, today were such dreadful things going on would be on the lines of -

Lord Amhed who has just brought a very expensive dinner with the Lord Chancellor would say " I say old chap I am being prosecuted for texting whilst driving, damn it can't we do anything these days"

The Lord Chancellor would reply "Oh don't worry about old chap, I know the magistrate/judge very well and I know his wife's Merc needs some new tyres, I will have a word in his ear for you.". And with a wink of the eye orders another brandy (at Lord Ahmed's expense).

A visit to the Liberal Club (now male and female) opposite the Houses of Parliament say all provided you keep your eyes open! The spiral staircases behind the building that go from outside ground level to the bedrooms above the club (for or members use only) were there for a special purpose: wink:
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ajstone wrote:That's Fuc$ing outrageous but not at all surprising. A young lady was jailed for 21 months recently for texting just before she drove into the back of a car killing the young girl driver, in both cases the sentence is not long enough.
The distinction is that Lord Ahmed did not cause a fatal accident whereas the young woman did.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/feb/02/ukcrime
idont believe it you are right, and even though this woman should have got a longer sentence she certainly didnt get 12 weeks :cussing: ::b :angryfire: but then again thats new labour for you. Do as we say not as we do............. c'mon hands up all of you that were fooled in 1997
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According to the BBC website, the guy who died had already hit the central reservation and was facing the wrong way in the outside lane, in the dark, presumably with his lights smashed. He had already been clipped while stationary by one other car and at least one other (possibly the car immediately in front of Lord Ahmed) had to take violent evasive action.

The guy who died had got out of his car and made it to the hard shoulder safely. For some reason he was trying to get back to his car when he was hit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sout ... 161259.stm

Sounds to me like Lord Ahmed was avoiding the crashed car and hit the driver. He hadn't sent or received a text for "several minutes" prior to the crash, so the 12 week sentence is for texting on the move - nothing to do with the crash.
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ajstone wrote: When I first saw the reports concerning Lord Amhed and that he'd pleaded guilty at a magistrates court i knew the sentence would be light, but 12 weeks is a joke, he will probably be out with a tag tomorrow lunchtime.
Yep, they are only allowed the maximum sentence of 6 months, and he never even got that?
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Stoday wrote:
ajstone wrote:That's Fuc$ing outrageous but not at all surprising. A young lady was jailed for 21 months recently for texting just before she drove into the back of a car killing the young girl driver, in both cases the sentence is not long enough.
The distinction is that Lord Ahmed did not cause a fatal accident whereas the young woman did.
Lord Ahmed of Rotherham was driving his Jaguar on Christmas Day when he was in collision with a car and its driver.
He was hit by the Jaguar as he tried to return to his car, police said. Lord Ahmed said: "It was horrendous."
So it would seem there is little difference other than a title oh and of course his connections.
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....and the fact that he wasn't texting at the time of the accident.

It was as a result of the police accident investigation of the crash that the fact that he had been texting on the move earlier in his journey came to light. The charges relate to that offence - nothing to do with the accident.

At the time of the accident he was avoiding a crashed car in the outside lane when he hit a pedestrian who was on a motorway in the dark. The investigation found nothing wrong with his driving at the time of the accident - and so no charges relating to the accident were brought.
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He had spent 16 minutes texting while driving at 60 miles an hour the last recorded 3 miles before the crash (or 3 minutes?) could he have been reading/ constructing a reply at the time of the "accident"? we'll never know.

He failed to see three vehicles had been involved in a crash ahead of him or the driver crossing the carriageway and hit them.
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I agree with the majority here.

He should have been done for manslaughter, as it was/is quite obvious he wasn't concentrating on driving a car.

A good opportunity to set an example missed. ::b
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Post by Raf »

ive changed my mind..... a little

did some more reading last night (sad i know); but the guy who died earlier had a crash and the car was facing toward oncoming traffic, across lane 2 & 3. most likely his lights were out. a short while earlier a car had also clipped the stationary vehicle which is telling. the car in front of Lords jag took evasive action... Lord ploughed right in.

the guy who died was pissed, he walked back to his car to get his phone (now that is plain stupid on an unlit Mway at night)... so in light of all of this the sentence for driving and texting is perhaps excessive but overall maybe right?

certainly not as bad as made out in some of the rags!
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