MPs are still fiddling their expenses

[Jasper]

Anyone who watched the Channel 4 Dispatches programme regarding MP’s expenses will be disgusted as I was to find out that MP's are still fiddling their expenses.
MPs are still “fiddling the system” and that the IPSA, set up in 2009 to: “independently monitoring and controlling MPs’ expenses, pay and pensions. We set up new rules to make a clean break with the past.” would appear to be even be approving this flagrant and unnecessary waste of public money.

Whether this is currently “within the rules” or not, no MP living inside the M25 should be able to claim any allowance for a second home. Those that own second homes in London (even those with a mortgage) should not be allowed to let them out and then claim for rent on another London home, often nearby. The fact that some MP’s are even renting out their London homes to each other and claiming the rent as “second home expenses” is even more disgusting.

Following the revelation of MP’s exaggerated and fraudulent expenses in 2009, when a number of MP’s were exposed abusing the system; some MP’s even being prosecuted for fraud, I find it inconceivable that any MP elected in the last election, would have the bare-faced cheek to continue to milk public finances for their own selfish ends. I noted that one MP one the programme claimed the maximum allowance right to the penny that they could.

It would appear that those that govern are governed by greed.
I am disgusted and the C4 programme has left me very angry. MP’s can no longer be trusted.
Clearly we are not “all in it together” and never were. Those that can get what they can and care nothing for anyone else.

How do you think those without a job feel when they see MP’s being paid £67,000 a year, fiddling and conspiring with each other to claim even more, not because they need it, but because they can “within the rules”.

This government has made a complete pig’s ear of everything since it was elected.
I cannot see another Conservative government being elected in a generation, especially following the hyperinflation that is coming!
David Cameron is fortunate that only thanks to Edward Heath, he will not be remembered as Britain’s worst-ever Prime Minister!

Worst of all the Government KNOW the IPSA isn't working and that MPs still cannot be trusted not to be greedy yet they DO NOTHING about it!

[wine~o]

" MP’s can no longer be trusted."

What's new ??

[dynamod]

If it were us they'd call it stealing , and then we'd get wasted by the Inland Revenue for our troubles.

These Stewards of the Bar call it 'Expenses". Seems like Greed is still Good.


The Torture Garden

“You're obliged to pretend respect for people and institutions you think absurd. You live attached in a cowardly fashion to moral and social conventions you despise, condemn, and know lack all foundation. It is that permanent contradiction between your ideas and desires and all the dead formalities and vain pretenses of your civilization which makes you sad, troubled and unbalanced. In that intolerable conflict you lose all joy of life and all feeling of personality, because at every moment they suppress and restrain and check the free play of your powers. That's the poisoned and mortal wound of the civilized world.”
― Octave Mirbeau

Ah well - Merry Christmas folks

[big-all]

we need to differentiate between legal but immoral and illegal

the remit off the independent monitor will be black and white within the law i doubt they will have the authority to be the moral police

[kellys_eye]

It's definitely a 'them and us' society now. 'They' are so confident of their ability to rule over us that they know they can flaunt the rules of law with impunity.

Try walking into your local Police Station and demanding the MP is arrested for a known and provable crime and you'll be marched right outside again.

Try to get the BBC to commit to 'true and honest reporting' and they'll reply 'we already do' and carry on in their own agenda-driven way.

Try to get your local councilors to stop voting themselves and their associates disproportionate pay rises and they'll ignore you.

Try to protest by refusing to pay your council tax and they'll jail you.

There are far too many people "above the line" and WE, the common man in the street, are BELOW this line and subject to all the rules and regulation THEY seem fit to pour upon us with total disregard for the same rules when it comes to themselves.

This country is totally and utterly fcuked and I'm genuinely hoping for the calamity of financial collapse so the PEOPLE can take back control and get things running the way WE want them, with fairness and law applying to ALL. The perpetrators of the sh1t situation we now find ourselves in (banksters and politicians) need to be hanging by piano wire instead of being allowed to carry-on-regardless no matter what they do and the mess they get us into.

Democracy? My fcuking @rse.

[Wes]

Watch carefully...Revolution is needed...We're in very murky waters! Democracy doesn't exist...It's an illusion so the people believe they actually have a choice, and if people believe they have a choice they will be far more settled and productive. We're in an elitist game, the people are the dispensable pawns. Sent to fight worthless battles and die for a corrupt cause! It makes me sick!

We need leadership with real love for the people and virtue. When leadership is in a position of self gain and internal power struggles, the ego will dominate and the greed blinkers will rap tight. They don't give a sh*t about us. We're just cattle! If anything's ever done for the greater good, you can be sure that it will be for the greater good of themselves first and foremost before our interests!

Do I personally have an answer, NO! But people need to really educate themselves and that will be a massive step in the right direction..

[big-all]

whilst i deplore the immoral actions off the few we need to remember its a small minority that push the boundaries most are reasonable with there demands

[Wes]

It's the immoral actions of the few, using manipulation and fear for there own cliquey interests that corrupt the majority...Although power in numbers is true, the few have control of what the many are exposed to.

Why on earth in this day and age, where the elite are STILL handing themselves huge pay rises, are 1 million children each year in Britain alone going hungry. It's an absolute disgrace!! Corporations, greed and man are steadily destroying this planet...

The question is...Is it human nature to behave like this? Or have we all been manipulated from an overspill of the survival of the fittest mentality from thousands of years ago? I truly thought humans had evolved further than this..But it would seem the rulers are just self interested greedy neanderthals in suits and the majority of people just sedate themselves with x factor bull and just role over and let there bellies be tickled with 2 pence petrol pump reductions Patronising b*stards..

[joinerjohn]

How can we be sure it's just a few though Wes ?? What if 90% of them are claiming what they are "entitled" to (not necessarily within the law)
If I use "Creative Accounting" and get caught out, I'd be castigated by society (and rightly so) ,,, But when our MP's (that we elect) do it, they're the best thing since sliced bread.

[Wes]

Well, we can't know that for sure John, but I think it's in us all to believe that the majority are good...But I hear you mate, it could well be that 90% are working for there own self interests...I personally don't think it's that unbelievable after listening to what they get away with. I mean, do we really all believe these people, in positions of supposed authority and leadership, are working for are benefit and not the bankers and there own pockets?

This complete illusion of democracy makes me laugh! Our country and most of the world is in debt to the banks, and the government uses the tax system (and taxes everything under the sun) to pay these banks ridiculous amounts of interest whilst using the police as enforcers! Making them get involved in matters that have nothing to do with them i.e. civil enforcement. If anyone's seen Robocop, remember OCP? If anyone hasn't seen the film, the basics are, Omni corporate products (OCP) own the police through the debt the local government owns to OCP. Corruption. In a none corrupt world we would see the police only getting involved in criminal matters. They are not there as government henchmen which seems to be the way things are going.

I think the video I posted may not be that far away from the truth...Scary stuff really!

Rant over...This is the grumpy corner right

[kellys_eye]

Society has been engineered around debt. People have either been encouraged to take it upon themselves OR the basics of life have been artificially raised in price to 'force' people into debt.

Looking at the wider picture, WHY has this been done? It hasn't just 'happened' - it's been manipulated. But to what end? Who will be the winners when the situation has finally run its course?

The only way 'we' will ever have control again (baring a revolution) is by either use of local currencies (some areas have this already) or by bartering. Taking the banks out of the loop is the only way to break that loop.

[Wes]

kellys_eye, absolutely could not agree more. However...

The only way 'we' will ever have control again (baring a revolution) is by either use of local currencies (some areas have this already) or by bartering. Taking the banks out of the loop is the only way to break that loop.

I believe the only way we can regain control and bring the power back to the people is through the judicial system and a change in culture with the reaffirmation of common law. Right now there is a blurred line between sovereignty (common law) and private corporations (Maritime law) running our judicial system and making civil matters appear criminal. This is the key to how they have injected so much fear into our culture and are strangling us with debt.

As true human beings we are not just cattle, we are not just a number, we are real. We need to stamp that home and stop being manipulated with fear from OUR courts and OUR police. This culture of them and us is a man made illusion designed to suppress. In the whole big picture, there is not a jot of difference between someone in a position of authority and a vagrant. That is another illusion created by a so called class system designed to gain and wield control. A big act of the EGO. On natures scale, Saturn doesn't give a sh*t how much bigger Jupiter is and Jupiter doesn't care how much prettier Saturn looks. They just exist together, in the same SPACE.

Just a thought

[Jasper]

Margaret Moran the biggest MP fraudster has got anyway scott free with £53,000 and she aint even being made to pay it back.

[Bikergirl]

I have considered going into politics, because I feel I could champion those who work hard, obey the law, live morally, and pay their taxes.

I would not lie, or backstab, or cheat, because that's not how I am.

For this very reason, I would never get anywhere in politics. Enough said.

[BillyGoat]

I have considered going into politics, because I feel I could champion those who work hard, obey the law, live morally, and pay their taxes.

I would not lie, or backstab, or cheat, because that's not how I am.

For this very reason, I would never get anywhere in politics. Enough said.

I'll bet lots of people have said similar things to that, got into politics and got swept up in the whole thing.

I'm sure they all think the same - if they are doing it and getting away with it, why shouldn't I.

Lets face it, I could claim for a second house like they are (or a third/fourth), then sign me up......

BG