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Once plastering, plumbing and flooring have been sorted, which unit do you fit first, I have read always start in a corner but because of the shape of the Kitchen, there is nothing in the corners at either end of the kitchen.
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you would start at the angle change as an inch out either way could cause problems
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I agree with big-all start with the change of angle line up the base units without screwing together or to wall first to check measurements
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to get the correct datum point using a roofing square or bit off ply /or board draw a line from the change off angle from one wall forward 600 or what ever the units are
move to the other wall this will give you a /\ shape take the center point between the lines as the datum point
thats assuming the walls either side dont kick out or in

datum point for floor and wall units are different
if you draw a line back from the datum point you will get a \/ now and thats the correct datum for both
and remember to line the wall units up with the floor unit lines requires a fillet off the same size as the floor units gap at the same point
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Get your base unit height levelled around the wall and mark this with a continiuous line.

Get all your setting out lines on the floor for the front of the base units. Make sure your angles are correct and the base units will not need scribing back too much for appliances or bringing forwards too much.

Mark the position of each unit on your front line that is already on the floor, plus wall line.

Get the top line of the wall units levelled around and marked.

Then another line for the centre of screws for the hanging brackets.

Mark the position of wall units. Just carry lines up from the base units for ones which correspond.

Then you can start installing units where ever you want to start from because you already have the positions for each one. I normally start in the corner. Whack units in according to wall, floor and position lines and you will find that they will be plumb and level when checked.

An hour setting out can save a lot of grief and time.
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Thanks ROC,
Couple more questions please,
1) What do you mean by scribe back or bring unit forward, is this so the appliances sit flush with the unit doors.

2) Is there a base unit height measurement that you should aim for and then adjust as required, the top of the existing worktop height is 900.

3) The rep who came round to measure up Kitchen, told the Boss that the wall units were not high enough :dunno: when I fitted them 12 plus years ago, I fixed a batten to the wall exactly 3 tiles high (18inches approx) so I didn't have to cut the tiles :oops: .and the Boss is only 5ft tall.
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Scribing base units..........To make it simple, if you have a L shape kitchen and do all the setting out lines. You may find that the walls are not square to each other and could also dip in and out. In this instance you would cut the back of the unit down to compensate and hence scribe the worktop in also. If doing this meant the washing machine wouldn't have enough room to slot underneath then you could keep these units un scribed and pull other units forwards. This would mean the worktop would need to be pulled forwards and as long as the tiling covered the gap, it is fine. Sometimes it is a case of scribing in and pulling units forwards. In bad cases it means fitting square and using a wider worktop and scribing that in.

Once you start installing units out of square, out of parrallel and in a pi55ed manner it means the worktops also need to be joined pi55ed. Although this may not notice, wait until the floor covering is down! Sticks out like a sore thumb.

Top of worktop is subject to opinion.............I was taught at college that it was 910mm to the top of a worktop. The handmade kitchens I used to fit for the manufacturer were also stipulated 910mm to top of worktop. You will also see them at 900mm.

Wall units are normally (as taught at college and the hand made stuff) 480mm up from the worktop.

Now taking the above measurements into consideration. It can vary and often will vary. Tall units may mean the distance between worktop and wall unit is a bit more or a bit less. My first partner was an umpah lumpah too and 890mm to top of worktop would be good. make sure appliances still fit under, which they should do. Wall units should line up with the top of tall units, however if stepped down enough, it doesn't make the finished look a crap one.

I am doing a refurb at present and architect wants the wall cupboards a lot higher than normal. That will look sh1t, but she isn't listening lol.
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Hi, I think if you get your sink unit in correct place then you can start with the filler gap, then work from there, Don't put the filler piece in just leave the correct size gap, Filler can be cut & fitted later.
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I've stayed in the Kitchen fitting forum, with a couple of floor tiling questions,(in the kitchen :scratch: )

We have now decided on floor tiles for the Kitchen, I will strip everything back to the floor boards, which will need securing as there is a fair bit of movement.
1) what type of board and what thickness should I put down before tiling.

2) should I fit all the boards touching, and leave an expansion gap around the edges, skirting boards will be removed

3) I intend to cover the whole floor area in whatever board is recommended, do I need to tile the whole area, or can fit the base units and tile up to the base unit legs and then fit the plinths, which will hide whats going on underneath the units?

4) Is there a type of tile that is recommended for kitchens and ones to avoid?, Hard wearing,non fading etc,etc.
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I'd use either 6mm or 12 mm ply screwed or nailed with ring shanks every 200 mm you can leave a expansion gap of a couple of mm between boards
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better off IMO with porcelain than ceramic for a kitchen floor.

You can either tile the floor completely then fit the kitchen. Tile to a point that will finish just past the front legs and under the appliances. Install kitchen and fit to front legs and into appliance positions.

Secure floor boards by screwing them down. Use Ditra, tile backer board or 15mm ply.
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