Moving

[scot-canuck]

I hate moving....with a passion, tripping over boxes, not being able to find anything, informing every agency on the planet that you have moved and still forgetting someone....
So after moving with a severe dose of the cold / flu in a snow storm, I end up in bed sick as a parrot for 4 days....get up yesterday and get a phone call asking if I have removed the last section of fence (its blizzarding of course I fecking well haven't...)
Then have to call transco out late at night as the gas meter is emitting a smell of gas (in the understair cupboard), their flexi pipe has rust spots and ergo leaking, so finally get into bed after 1.30am with an 8 am start this morning....
Then have to cancel a couple of jobs today due to the weather (visibility nil most of the day), so phone the bank to see if they have made any progress on sorting out my credit card complaint....no record say they
Then I decide to find the brackets for the blinds and curtains to get them hung, find them and discover the upper parts of the window frames are loose
To which the landlord decides isn't a priority (I just have no curtains.....or privacy in the interim) and it will be the start of next week before someone can even possibly look at the report, let alone action it and they can't just send the joinery contractors out as its "several windows so we need to inspect it" shame the inspector knows less about joinery than I do about Chinese, so another waste of time well and truly with him likely trying to wriggle out of having to fix it....I'm sure some random excuse will get used "expansion tolerance" "just needs some polyfilla" (everything in his world seemingly can be repaired with polyfilla....... )
Filed a complaint as the change of tenancy inspection should have caught the issues with the window frames and clearly didn't.....funny how they went over my old gaffe with a fine toothed comb and this place seems to barely have got a cursory glance......

[moderator6]

You should have a new landlords gas certificate how come there's a smell of gas?

[wine~o]

Errr...at the risk of upsetting the Mods...


It's Scotland.. I could be wrong ..but I think they are a law unto themselves...

[scot-canuck]

I did get a cert, seemingly it was an extremely minor leak according to the guy from SGN on the supply side of things (chrome/stainless flex that leads into the meter,
though think I'll be asking the reactive guys to take another look at the boiler (one company does the servicing the other does spot repairs) as I can smell exhaust gases when I open the cupboard the boiler is in.

Boiler cert has 9.84% CO2 & no cross bonding at boiler written at the bottom left......passed it though.....

[scot-canuck]

ARGHHHH
Had the reactive guys out.....guy wasn't keen to be out as he had "had a hard day" (...my work days ain't exactly sunshine and rainbows either...especially not when crawling under floors running cables and someone has had the bright idea to run hot central heating pipes right in the middle of the crawl space......)
checked pressure etc, seems all fine, not sure what the smell was in the boiler cupboard, detection kit he had didn't detect anything out of the ordinary, moved the CO detector into the cupboard beside the boiler though.
However left the screw on the meter test point loose (or so I thought) asked him to tighten it up, after he left...I smell gas, noticed top of the test point screw missing, so phone the company back, tell them I want someone different sent out to sort it out and to check things (how hard is it to check a screw is properly secured, especially when it involves gas???), and also phoned SGN, who came out in just under an hour as the stop lever didn't sem to cut off the gas (according to SGN - gas was off, just the test point was limiting the release of gas majorly so it was taking a long time for the pressure in the meter to drop.)
Turns out the screw head on the test point had sheared off meaning the gas was seeping out, so SGN and the other engineer got it swapped and the boiler back on.
Not overly impressed that the first guy left it like that especially as I asked him to check it was properly tightened.
Tried to file a report with gas safe, however their website isn't being cooperative, so going to phone them on monday.
Also left a message with the landlord.......

Also according to the 2nd guy the boiler is borderline on CO2.....how does that not surprise me in the slightest......

Hopefully this is the end of hassles......

[joinerjohn]

Just as long as you don't wake up dead in the morning, or your house explodes with you in it,,,, You'll be alright.

[thescruff]

The CO detector shouldn't be in the cupboard with the boiler.

[scot-canuck]

Where should it be scruff? Was originally on the wall outside the cupboard about 7/8 the way up the wall.

Tried to tell me fumes rise.....funnily enough if I remember right both CO and CO2 are heavier than air........

Tbh I'm going to have some serious words with WRB Gas (funnily enough I've heard some serious horror stories about both their RGIs and their sparks) on Monday and with the Council's Gas team, as the guy at WRB who answers the phone should at least have some clue as to whats a potential issue and the guys they send out should know what they are doing (2nd guy suggested the smell in the boiler cupboard was stagnant water evaporating off the condensate pump tank....ummm no doesn't smell like that, nor does it smell like a water tank thats hot)

[thescruff]

Occupied spaces so you are alerted, ceilings normally.

There should be best practice with the unit, also check the use by date as they are only good for around 5 years.

Co is heavier than air by the heat circulates it

http://www.carbonmonoxidealarm.info/sit ... order.html

[Someone-Else]

Where should it be scruff? Was originally on the wall outside the cupboard about 7/8 the way up the wall.

Tried to tell me fumes rise.....funnily enough if I remember right both CO and CO2 are heavier than air........

Very sorry, that's not true at all.

CO2 (carbon dioxide) is heavier than air, CO (carbon monoxide) is almost the same density as air, but since it is produced by hot unburnt fuel it often rises.*

As for where to put a CO detector the jury is still out on that one. Some say around 1m from the appliance (any closer it may false alarm to much so you will ignore it) Others say it should go on a wall near your sleeping area. But most say read the instructions.

The "average" CO detector is NOT designed to be mounted high up or on a ceiling, take the two below as typical examples.

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How will you be able to press the test button if its ceiling mounted.


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How will you be able to read the display if it is ceiling mounted.


* The density of Carbon Monoxide at 20 °C (68 °C) is 0.96716 which is slightly lighter than the density of air (1.00)

[thescruff]

Best to not say anything if you like to guessw and play silly buggers someone-else.

Suggest you stick to checking the spelling as its a pet hate of yours.

[Someone-Else]

Best to not say anything if you like to guessw and play silly buggers someone-else.

Suggest you stick to checking the spelling as its a pet hate of yours.

I merely pointed out that to suggest (as you did) that to mount a CO detector on a ceiling is pointless in the case of most CO detectors.

As for the density of CO, the people that make CO detectors should know.


Since public bickering is no use to the forum and I understand that you do not like me or the majority of my views, why not take your own advice.

[thescruff]

Interesting comments, perhaps you should read some more, before you post next time., starting with the link I posted.

As for not liking you, I smell an inferiority complex coming on and the majority of your views I never read.

[thescruff]

When you chose where to install your Carbon Monoxide Alarm, you must remeber that you should be able to hear its shrill alarm in case of emergency. Some houses may benefit fromthe installation of more than one alarm. If you only install one alarm, place it near a bedroom so that it can be heard when you are asleep. Do not install the alarm in a cellar or boiler room where it will not be heard.

The British Standards Institute produces a Code of Practice (BS EN 50292) on the selection, installation, use and maintenance of CO alarms. It says that "It is not possible to give specific guidance on the exact location of a CO detector." It suggests that if it is mounted on the ceiling, it should be at least 300 mm from any wall. If mounted on the wall, it should be at least 150 mm from the ceiling but above the height of doors or windows.

If the alarm in fiited in the same room as the appliance, it should be installed between 1m and 3 m (as measured horizontally) from the appliance.

It is quite clear that Carbon Monoxide alarms should NOT be fitted in the following locations:

Where it can be obstructed by furniture.
Above a sink or basin.
Next to a door or window.
Next to an air vent, extractor fan or similar.
In very cold or hot rooms below - 5 C or above 40 C
In any enclosed space or cupboard.

[scot-canuck]

The boiler as far as I can tell has been properly installed, pipework etc is all neat and tidy, cabling also all neat and tidy. Just a shame the reactive guys seemed to be on a bad day, doesn't exactly inspire confidence when I ask them a question and they seem to have pulled their answer out of thin air or ummm and errmmmm.