Stenner stair lift is there a reset proceeure?

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Stenner stair lift is there a reset proceeure?

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Image The lift is not used much and when I came to renew a toilet I decided it was the ideal way of carrying the old toilet down stairs however it only went one meter then stopped.

At the time I did not have tools to try and repair and assumed it had been left off the charging point so hand wound back to charging point and left it.

One return it still did not work so went and got a few tools.

On removing front cover I found the spade connections on the replacement batteries fitter were smaller than the original battery and the Stenner approved engineer had used the insulated cover to hold the back of the spade connector pushed against the battery terminal. Using some pliers it was simple enough to make the spades grip correctly. Tested voltages supply 29.4 open circuit and battery off station 27.4 on station 27.6 so seems battery was charged. Banged every safety switch and still no luck. Removed both battery and mains supply the latter by winding off station and then all started to work.

However it seems odd to me that an intermittent battery connection would actually cause the chair to fail. One supply had been returned I would have expected it to resume working so lights were on so supply was there yet the chair had remained stuck one meter from top charging station likely after a bad connection had caused it to stop.

It seems likely there is a reset procedure but can't find what it is.

When it failed last time it was due to being left off station. In spite of winding it to station it did not work again until the Stenner engineer renewed the batteries. Clearly when he renewed the batteries he would have switched off all power which is what I did this time to get it working. So may be that is the re-set method. However with some one sitting in the seat one can't remove the front cover so if it locks its self out with my mother on the chair it would need a fire brigade rescue before I could reset chair which is clearly not what is wanted.

So any ideas of what may have caused failure and what is the reset method. There was nothing on the chair when it failed on the arm there are two lights a yellow one and a green one it would seem it will not run until we get green light.

The controls are wireless Image and the leg must be down before the chair can be used. Since Image this leg if raised will stop the chair while travelling and there is no wired connection to the chair I must also assume a wireless link from leg to chair. So there is a possibility the fault could have been some EMC problem.

The whole safety design seems flawed in that there are no sensors on the leg and it can't be seen from the top controls only indication on leg position is the sound of motor straining common sense would say the chair should still run with leg up and the user should be able to get to where they can see the leg before lowering it. After all taking the user to within two steps of bottom of stairs is safer than having them stuck at top of stairs so it would seem no common sense has been used it is simply how can we adapt the lift to fit the house. So there may be some safety which should have been removed but was left in place. With an official Stenner guy who can't even fit a battery correctly I am not inclined to call Stenner.
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Dunno but the wiring diagram is here

http://www.dolphinlifts.co.uk/stannah260.html
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Thanks, after posting I did find the circuit diagram and down loaded it. Unfortunately it uses PIC's and RF links so only help is the built in LED array now means something when the chair fails and since the fault has been cleared not a clue what the real fault was.

I can't see how an intermittent battery connection would cause it to fail and remain failed unless it caused some problem with the PIC. So now looking at the folding leg and some RF problem which also could be caused by the intermittent battery connection.

So in real terms only thing I can do is use the chair lift and see if it fails again. The battery isolator does not completely isolate the battery it also powers the brake to release it. However I would have thought switching it off and on when not at charging station would have reset any fault.
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I returned and I am now 100% sure failed battery. From new to first battery replacement was 4 years and now 4 years on from that so it would seem 4 years is the life of batteries. 27.4 float voltage is a little on the high side and fact that lift hardly used means the over voltage has likely dried out the battery.

It went down the stairs reasonably easy but returning I was doing a few inches at a time and had to switch off battery isolator to restart once the under voltage light came on. Near the end it was stopping before the light came on and then would restart simply by releasing the up lever and re-pushing it.

Next is to find out if social services will replace them as really since a lift should not DIY. Image I do also question mounting batteries on their end. I know they are gel batteries but I have always in past seen them mounted with terminals on the top.
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I do agree with you that a failed battery could be the cause - maybe just one battery failed.

As for standing them on end -it seems from your photo that is how they are designed to fit the compartment.

Good luck with it.
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There is a warning beeper to show when not at charging station but this will not sound if battery is disconnected. Since I found a poor connection on battery it is possible they were not charging. Not sure on next move. Will report to social services and see what they do.

My worry was the failure could happen while using the lift. However further investigation has shown it would fail up before it failed down so it would fail safe.
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If you decide to install the batteries your self they are readily available for the Stannah 260

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Think 4 years is a reasonable time for a battery to be sitting in there depending on usage

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Batteries were replaced Elecrofix had them in stock.
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