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hi, im woodie and this is my first post, im thinking of restarting a career in carpentry and or kitchen fitting
having just finished upvc fitting in social housing [varied ages of property's] im also a 'tool nut' when i ve got the
money.
now the question.makita do a 2x18v=36v circular saw[very impressive .
is a 36v a makita mitre saw available yet and if not when ?
to be able to 2nd fix a whole house on one charge [no generator] is a dream soon coming!

heeelllooo and wecome woodie
you would need at least 4ahx4batts for a days work i would suggest going on 18v /36vtwins you may get away with 4x3ah but with several 18v and 36 volt tools you need enough batteries to power the tools plus you need enough time/capacity to charge all the batteries when home this may require another 2 batteries at home charging in rotation as well as the on site batteries

The 36 volt Makita is called a DHS710 and a bare one would cost you around about £175 to £185 if you cast around. Whilst this review says that the saw will do what you want, I'm somewhat dubious that you'd get a full day out of two batteries, even 5Ah ones. Maybe that's because on 2 x 4Ah on 1st fix we're not doing anything like that (generally ours pegs out at around early afternoon - hopefully the new 5Ah batteries I've ordered will fix that). The only pity is that the tool isn't brushless which would probably give us the run time we want. Overall I'm impressed. The tool is a lot more substantial than the 165mm saws and has a far better depth setting arrangement and bevel lockin is much more secure, but it is much heavier. The only two things I think it could do with are a proper plunge facility (you need to hold the guard open to make a plunge cut) and the ability to run on rails. But maybe that's asking a bit much.

4 x 3Ah, B-A, seriously? The move in trade is to go for less batteries with greater capacity whilst at the same time going brushless (to get an extra 40% run time) - the 5Ah batteries are the same size and weight the same as the 3Ah ones, so less to carry round a job site (and I already feel like a Sherpa, at times, whatever happend to having an apprentice to fetch and carry?). Even so I'm recharging 3 or 4 times a day at the moment with mixture of 3Ah and 4Ah batteries used between the saw, jigsaw, SDS and impact driver. So the next move has to be towards a dual charger (DC18RD)

No danger I'd buy a cordless mitre saw,it'd have to be corded for me 100%.

if your using batteries in pairs you need to work out if two is enough

Errrm, bit of a senior moment so apologies for any misdirection Just realised that I was referring to the 2 x 18 volt rip saw that we have on loan (on test?) at the moment and not the mitre saw. The cordless mitre saw is actually the DLS713Z and it is a single battery unit. This summer we've had glaziers in doing sash refurbs who were using their DLS713 to cut replacement sash beads and parting beads. Talking to them at the time they said it was capable of giving a day's work on one or two 5.0Ah batteries, but I personally very much doubt that it was capable of cutting "regular" quantities of skirting. It's a simple matter of the maximum power output of an 18 volt cordless motor just not being enough. The better brushed 18 volt cordless motors have a rated power output in the region of 375 to 450 watts with the best brushless motors maxing at 550 to 625 watts (these are from Makita's own quoted figures for their latest tools). When you consider that a 110 volt trade mitre saw is generally rated at somewhere around 1600 to 1800 watts (output somewhere around 1150 to 1250 watts) it is rather obvious that there is a gap there. Even when Makita's new 6Ah batteries arrive (they are now in production and non-OEM knock-offs are already available on eBay) it probably still won't be enough, although first fix work will then potentially become a cordless affair fo me, or at least I'm hoping so

big-all wrote:if your using batteries in pairs you need to work out if two is enough

Actually, B-A I was thinking more in terms of the physical space you need to lug the stuff around. I just end up carrying too much stuff all the time and I need to reduce the burden. When the batteries run out it can mean a 3- or 4-storey climb off a roof or an attic to the charging point and back again which gets quite tiring after the 5th or 6th time each day! Like many carpenters I've already found that 3Ah batteries just don't hack it any longer, hence the move onwards to brushless in combination with 5Ah batteries. Even that may not be sufficient and I may need to await the introduction of even higher charge rates when/if we ever see graphene batteries. We'll see

I have the Makita DLS713 which is a 18v single battery scms and consider it very good for my needs. I have used it to cut 70-80 cuts in 63mm x 38mm cls in one sitting and didnt need to change the 4ah battery!

Makita do make a 36v (two 18v batteries) version which is the DLS714. This is also brushless, so much more powerful.

Comparing the two:

DLS713 http://www.toolstop.co.uk/makita-dls713 ... nly-p70100
DLS714 http://www.toolstop.co.uk/makita-dls714 ... nly-p72563

The 714 is actually cheaper by £30 at £469?

Same blade and bore size, the 714 is 1.3kg heavier, they actually seem to be rather alike .... except in one respect.

DLS713 no load speed: 2200rpm

DLS714 no load speed: 5700rpm

I want one ....... bloody brushless tools tempting me with their super powers

Anyone want a well looked after 713 ????
lol

lake wrote:I have the Makita DLS713 which is a 18v single battery scms and consider it very good for my needs. I have used it to cut 70-80 cuts in 63mm x 38mm cls in one sitting and didnt need to change the 4ah battery!

Just to tick you off I can get the same out of a DHS680 cordless brushless hand rip saw - cross cuts are made using a Speed Square, so no need to lug around a chop saw to do any framing any longer. Much smaller and lighter (not to mention a helluva lot cheaper), too!

Job and Knock wrote: Just to tick you off I can get the same out of a DHS680 cordless brushless hand rip saw - cross cuts are made using a Speed Square, so no need to lug around a chop saw to do any framing any longer. Much smaller and lighter (not to mention a helluva lot cheaper), too!

LOL, cant fault yer JaK. I have the DSS611 and for 90 % of cuts its all I need! I only used the csms as all the cuts were 22.5 degrees (octagonal coffee table). When they make a speed square which can be set at any angle, securely, and held easily then will there still be much of a need for smaller scms's?