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Adding a ceiling light to existing wall light circuit

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:36 pm
by yartin
Hi
Bedroom on first floor house has 2 wall lights on same wall, finding them insufficient. I think the setup was changed by previous owner from ceiling light to wall lights.
I want to add a ceiling light to the same circuit, is it as simple as going up to loft which is unboarded in that section but has insulation and hoping there will be a cable for the wall light accessible, cut the cable put a junction box and add a new cable for the ceiling light? Anything else to look for?
Thanks

Re: Adding a ceiling light to existing wall light circuit

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:48 pm
by Someone-Else
Yes, make sure the cable you cut goes to the wall lights and not somewhere else, and turn the electricity off first. you may even be lucky and find a jb where the ceiling light was.

Re: Adding a ceiling light to existing wall light circuit

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:18 pm
by yartin
someone-else wrote:Yes, make sure the cable you cut goes to the wall lights and not somewhere else, and turn the electricity off first. you may even be lucky and find a jb where the ceiling light was.
I have been to the loft today, followed cable of light switch and to a cable of one of wall light which leads to a junction box, pic attached not to clear but it is the round white thing. But the location of the box is not in the middle of the room as you would expect. Has it been moved when rewired, any other possibilities?

I checked the bedroom ceiling for any clues but been papered so cant see much but a bump corresponds roughly where jb is, pic attached.

Re: Adding a ceiling light to existing wall light circuit

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:00 pm
by Someone-Else
Sorry, not sure what I am looking at, picture is as you said " pic attached not too clear"

Re: Adding a ceiling light to existing wall light circuit

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:52 pm
by yartin
someone-else wrote:Sorry, not sure what I am looking at, picture is as you said " pic attached not too clear"
The pic where there is loft insulation and I just put a black arrow pointing to a white round object which is the junction box.

Re: Adding a ceiling light to existing wall light circuit

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:54 pm
by Someone-Else
is it? oh. (still can't see it ::b ) But if its a JB why can't you move it?

Re: Adding a ceiling light to existing wall light circuit

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:21 pm
by yartin
someone-else wrote:is it? oh. (still can't see it ::b ) But if its a JB why can't you move it?
Have you tried the magnifier (+ button) at top left corner of the photo?

Re: Adding a ceiling light to existing wall light circuit

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:56 pm
by wine~o
:dunno: Not clear even when zoomed in, either way we'd need to know how it was wired and whether there is a switched live and neutral at the JB, you mentioned having a multi meter, now is the time to start using it.

Re: Adding a ceiling light to existing wall light circuit

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:15 pm
by Someone-Else
wine~o wrote::dunno: Not clear even when zoomed in.
:thumbleft:

Re: Adding a ceiling light to existing wall light circuit

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:58 am
by yartin
I did say it's not clear picture, if you zoom you must be able to see a circular white object, that is the junction box and take my word for it. All light jbs looks the same and this is no different.

Re: Adding a ceiling light to existing wall light circuit

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:33 pm
by yartin
wine~o wrote::dunno: Not clear even when zoomed in, either way we'd need to know how it was wired and whether there is a switched live and neutral at the JB, you mentioned having a multi meter, now is the time to start using it.
Yes I have a multi meter but busy week so will do in the weekend.

Adding a ceiling light to existing wall light circuit

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:03 pm
by yartin
Hi
I didn't do anything since but am back today to do it. Been to the loft, opened the junction box, please see pic attached.
Following the wiring I named them, the 4th one not named believe the live coming from bathroom ceiling light.
Am I right to say the third light I want to connect will be basically in parallel with light 1 and light 2?

I can't find the original whole in the plaster board of the old ceiling light in the loft. But in the area there is a small cut plasterboard which I assume it a repair and part replaced where the hole was.

Is the best way to drill from bedroom ceiling where I want the light then go to loft and connect to junction box?

Thanks
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Adding a ceiling light to existing wall light circuit

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:26 pm
by yartin
Update:
For unknown reason, N& E were shorted (previous owner was DIY disaster), this was corrected. A third cable was added for ceiling light, new light fitting connected and all done, job done. Pic of junction box attached.
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Adding a ceiling light to existing wall light circuit

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:17 pm
by Someone-Else
Nice clear in-focus pictures, they really help. What is the black flex for?