Angles

[charlie]

How do you do 'angles' in joinery/carpentry?

As in setting out etc etc

[dirtydeeds]

tools for meausring angles and setting out, this is not the full and difinitive

bevel guage
veritas bevel setter
compass
mitre saw
carpenters rafter square
magnum rafter square (magnum is just one of many makes)
protractor (the plastic one you had a school)
nobex multifix (trend do a similar thing, other makes are avaliable)
scientific calculator


ive set the level of knowledge quite low because the question seems very basic, so if your knowledge is better than this some comments might seem like teaching ducks to quack

bevel guage, all carpenters should have one in their tool kit

enter "400408" in the search box of the axminster website. it copies an existing angle, you then transfer this directly to the work piece




Veritas bevel setter, you can meaure the angle taken by your bevel guage
search for "202376" on the axminster site. this is the only make i know of, they are expensive and ive not yet seen a carpenter with one in his tool kit






compass, to my view all carpenters should have one in their tool kit

the type you need is like the one from axminster. go to the axminster web site and search for "compass" or just type in "201109" a pencil is more useful to a carpenter, but dont throw away the carbide tip supplied

you can bisect an angle using a compass. bisecting an angle gives you half the angle which is useful for mitres




mitre saw
you can meausre the angle taken with your bevel guage by putting it on the plattern of your mitre saw. put the stock (the wooden/plastic bit) of the the bevel guage against the saw fence and move the saw blade until it matches the blade of the bevel guage, if the angle is more than 90 degrees remember to add 90 degrees to the angle that you read off the mitre saw.




rafter square, two types

steel rafter square, most carpenters have one regardless of if they build roofs, they are a useful setting out tool. they dont meausre angles directly, you use a scientific calculator to convert the dimensions read off the square

they are a large square, 24 inches x 18inches, most are yellow with black markings but some such as item 810155 on axminsters website

a magnum rafter square, such as axminster item 300287, some but not all carpenters have them. they measure angles directly

They are not called a "magnum" rafter square, stanley and other manufacturers make them






protractor, like the plastic one you had at school
there are more accurate ones avaliable look up "protractor" on the axminster site. these types are generally only used in workshops, because they get damaged in toolbags




nobex multifix (or similar) search for item 610116 on the axminster site. they meausre angles directly. they are light but prone to getting bent in a tool bag




scientific calculator, get one with a hard cover otherwise it will get damaged in your tool box

if you have forgotten your maths such as sines, cosines, tangents, and pythagoras's therom, or that a 3/4/5 triangle gives a perfect 90 degree angle. go to your local college bookshop and purchase a book [/code]

[dirtydeeds]

Charlie, if you are just starting out, buy the following


definatly
a bevel guage, about £6 and a compass at about £5. i forgot to say compasses are useful for scribing

good to have
a carpenters square, because its usefull for so many things about £10
a scientific calculator about £17

the rest
protractor, a plastic one they get very little use but they are under a quid

an expensive protractor, your choice

nobex multifix (or similar) dont get used that much

UNLESS you like spending money on high quality tools dont buy the Veritas bevel setter, it will get little or no use in normal carpentry

mitre saws, they are a subject on their own, just remember that blade size isnt everything and the bigger the blade the more they weigh (its the motor to power the blade and the mass required to keep them running true and to prevent them being damaged by large pieces of timber which increases the weight)

weight is very important if you move them frequently

[charlie]

Charlie, if you are just starting out, buy the following


definatly
a bevel guage, about £6 and a compass at about £5. i forgot to say compasses are useful for scribing

good to have
a carpenters square, because its usefull for so many things about £10
a scientific calculator about £17

the rest
protractor, a plastic one they get very little use but they are under a quid

an expensive protractor, your choice

nobex multifix (or similar) dont get used that much

UNLESS you like spending money on high quality tools dont buy the Veritas bevel setter, it will get little or no use in normal carpentry

mitre saws, they are a subject on their own, just remember that blade size isnt everything and the bigger the blade the more they weigh (its the motor to power the blade and the mass required to keep them running true and to prevent them being damaged by large pieces of timber which increases the weight)

weight is very important if you move them frequently

I havnt started yet, but im hoping i will, im not the best at maths and english so it will take a little bit longer to learn.

[dirtydeeds]

good luck charlie

the maths isnt that difficult and you dont need a degree in english to be a carpenter

[charlie]

good luck charlie

the maths isnt that difficult and you dont need a degree in english to be a carpenter

Yes i no, i don't want to do all carpentry after my 3 year apprenticeship, im hoping just to go into laminate floor fitting or a kitchen fitter. We'l see.

[dirtydeeds]

if you have a real 3 year apprentiship, youll get all the maths you need

[charlie]

if you have a real 3 year apprentiship, youll get all the maths you need

Thats alright then

[tim'll fix it]

good luck charlie

the maths isnt that difficult and you dont need a degree in english to be a carpenter

Yes i no, i don't want to do all carpentry after my 3 year apprenticeship, im hoping just to go into laminate floor fitting or a kitchen fitter. We'l see.

come on charlie you can do better than being a laminate floor fitter. Imagine fitting the damn stuff for the rest of your life

[charlie]

good luck charlie

the maths isnt that difficult and you dont need a degree in english to be a carpenter

Yes i no, i don't want to do all carpentry after my 3 year apprenticeship, im hoping just to go into laminate floor fitting or a kitchen fitter. We'l see.

come on charlie you can do better than being a laminate floor fitter. Imagine fitting the damn stuff for the rest of your life

Well should i do all Carpentry/Joinery ?

[tim'll fix it]

good luck charlie

the maths isnt that difficult and you dont need a degree in english to be a carpenter

Yes i no, i don't want to do all carpentry after my 3 year apprenticeship, im hoping just to go into laminate floor fitting or a kitchen fitter. We'l see.

come on charlie you can do better than being a laminate floor fitter. Imagine fitting the damn stuff for the rest of your life

Well should i do all Carpentry/Joinery ?

I dont know what interests you, but you dont need to be a joiner to fit laminate.

Me I like the complicated stuff, gets the mind working and creates a challenge for you

[charlie]

I see, I enjoy most of joinery and carpentry. I see your from Leicestershire, i will be going to a college in coalvile called ''stevensen's college'' in a few months

[tim'll fix it]

there are a lot of courses at stevenson college

The important thing to think about for me is are you happy doing what you are doing

[charlie]

there are a lot of courses at stevenson college

The important thing to think about for me is are you happy doing what you are doing

Well, im doing a building apprenticeship for 2 years to get my NVQ Level 2 and 3 and then im hoping to get into joinery or brickalying.

[dirtydeeds]

carpentry

the thaught of picking up hundreds of bricks a day, every day for the next 40 years