Compliance certificates

[Dxc712]

All competent installers KNOW that mix and match isn't permitted in BS 7671

So the muppet you paid needs to return , remove the BG part and fit the appropriate breaker made by the manufacturer of the comsumer unit.

I've attached some more photos if that helps to see what circuit breaker I need for the consumer unit.

[Neelix]

All competent installers KNOW that mix and match isn't permitted in BS 7671

So the muppet you paid needs to return , remove the BG part and fit the appropriate breaker made by the manufacturer of the comsumer unit.

Thanks. What's the right <span class="skimwords-potential">circuit breaker</span><span style="position: absolute;"></span><span style="position: absolute;"></span> for the consumer unit?

Do you need me to attach more photos for you to tell?

Is there a problem having a new cable go into the side of the consumer unit?

Have you got the paperwork yet?

Only the invoice. He contacted me afterwards to say that he would send notice of the works over to a colleague and any compliance certificate will be with me in 7 days.

Said spark who did the work owes you an EIC - as for somebody else doing the compliance certificate - all I can say is HUM. Was it a limited company that did the work ?

[Dxc712]

Said spark who did the work owes you an EIC - as for somebody else doing the compliance certificate - all I can say is HUM.

Can you tell me what the correct procedure should be for this, please?

I can't discuss the issue with them if I don't know the correct procedure for the certificate.

Was it a limited company that did the work ?

I don't know anything about limited companies so I couldn't answer that question.

The work is being done by a heating and bathroom company that was recommended to me.

How would I determine whether it's a limited company and what's the signficance of this?

Thanks

[Neelix]

Said spark who did the work owes you an EIC - as for somebody else doing the compliance certificate - all I can say is HUM.

Can you tell me what the correct procedure should be for this, please?

I can't discuss the issue with them if I don't know the correct procedure for the certificate.

Was it a limited company that did the work ?

I don't know anything about limited companies so I couldn't answer that question.

The work is being done by a heating and bathroom company that was recommended to me.

How would I determine whether it's a limited company and what's the significance of this?

Thanks

So they SHOULD know better. Copy and paste my comment above to them and also request the EIC too and see what they say.

[Dxc712]

Said spark who did the work owes you an EIC - as for somebody else doing the compliance certificate - all I can say is HUM.

Can you tell me what the correct procedure should be for this, please?

I can't discuss the issue with them if I don't know the correct procedure for the certificate.

Was it a limited company that did the work ?

I don't know anything about limited companies so I couldn't answer that question.

The work is being done by a heating and bathroom company that was recommended to me.

How would I determine whether it's a limited company and what's the significance of this?

Thanks

So they SHOULD know better. Copy and paste my comment above to them and also request the EIC too and see what they say.

I've shown the manager the circuit breaker. However, I don't know what the correct procedure is for the certificate.

I can't discuss that particular issue with them until I know what the correct procedure is.

[Neelix]

Said spark who did the work owes you an EIC - as for somebody else doing the compliance certificate - all I can say is HUM.

Can you tell me what the correct procedure should be for this, please?

I can't discuss the issue with them if I don't know the correct procedure for the certificate.

Was it a limited company that did the work ?

I don't know anything about limited companies so I couldn't answer that question.

The work is being done by a heating and bathroom company that was recommended to me.

How would I determine whether it's a limited company and what's the significance of this?

Thanks

So they SHOULD know better. Copy and paste my comment above to them and also request the EIC too and see what they say.

I've shown the manager the <span class="skimwords-potential">circuit breaker</span><span style="position: absolute;"></span><span style="position: absolute;"></span>. However, I don't know what the correct procedure is for the certificate.

I can't discuss that particular issue with them until I know what the correct procedure is.

The installer of the new circuit needs to provide you with an Electrical Installation Certificate for their work and because you live in England they also owe you a Part P compliance certificate. It’s that simple

[OnlyMe]

You should have had a FuseBox RCBO fitted not a BG RCBO. Type AC or type A is actually irrelevant as a water heater is not going to inject DC into the circuit. However any new RCBO will be A not AC.

Just demand your certificate.

[Dxc712]

You should have had a FuseBox RCBO fitted not a BG RCBO. Type AC or type A is actually irrelevant as a water heater is not going to inject DC into the circuit. However any new RCBO will be A not AC.

Just demand your certificate.

The installer of the new circuit needs to provide you with an Electrical Installation Certificate for their work and because you live in England they also owe you a Part P compliance certificate. It’s that simple

Thank you for the responses. Should I ask for someone to come round and check the work before I accept the certificates?

[big-all]

its a self certification scheme so either he is or isnt qualified if not qualified further cost to certify but will probably be at you door to sort

[ericmark]

A consumer unit is a type tested distribution unit, the type testing is not valid if you don't use parts recommended by the manufacturer so a FuseBox make can only have FuseBox components added.

As an emergency to keep something running we may fit wrong make of parts, but as temporary only.

There are two ways in theroy to register work, one direct with LABC the other through a scheme provider, the first is responsibility of the owner, the second the electrician, stupid idea, but I did not write the law, so if anywhere the electrician shows an logo of a scheme provider then down to him, otherwise up to the owner.

I had the problem, did not even consider the builder would not register the work, but seems he didn't, and I was left to sort it out, and once the LABC found out what he had done, within weeks the firm folded, I was too slow to get any money back from them.

[Dxc712]

This issue is being resolved.

The circuit breaker has been replaced and I've received the electrical installation certificate.

I've noticed that my first name has been misspelled on the certificate.

Is that a problem? I don't imagine it would be.

All the other details appear to be correct.

[Neelix]

What about the part P compliance certificate ?

[Dxc712]

What about the part P compliance certificate ?

I've been told that I will get that in the next few days.

[ericmark]

1) A consumer unit is a type tested distribution board, to get the type testing, one must only use items authorised by the boards manufacturer, and no manufacturer is likely to test the board with some one else's parts fitted. The problem is some RCBO's the terminal raises to clamp, and others lower to clamp, and you have a common bus bar, so it can strain both new and old devices if the terminals are not identical. There is also how much heat is produced, and different makes may radiate different amounts of heat, so you now don't have a consumer unit, it is now a distribution unit, and you simply don't know if safe or not.

2) There are four certificates, the electrician doing the work issues either a minor works certificate or an installation certificate, neither can be issued by anyone else, these are required be it domestic or commercial, and they contain the test figures, like the speed and current that the RCD part of the RCBO tripped at, since the forces applied by fitting a non compliant RCBO could affect the other RCBO's they would all need testing to show the strain had not affected their operation.

3) There are two ways to register the work, well in England (not Wales) three, method one is before the work starts, you apply to the LABC, and they become responsible for the site safety, they will decide who and test and inspect, and you could need to pay extra fees for a third party to inspect, once complete and they are satisfied a completion certificate is issued. In England only some electricians can do the same as the LABC, through their scheme provider, the idea is a gas fitter working for same firm can do some work and the electrician can check the electrical part of it, although the law allows it, England only, most scheme providers have not taken up the option, so that situation is rare, but a compliance certificate is issued rather than a completion certificate, the third which is the most common, is the electrician is a scheme member, and he tells his scheme provider he has done the work, and they issue a compliance certificate.

Note today often you don't get a paper certificate, they are posted on line and you can down load them. Powis seem to be good that way, Flintshire many certificates missing from their site.

Glad the RCBO has now been changed, and you have the installation certificate showing it has been tested, as to type AC or type A I am not sure how important that is, the problem has been identified that DC can freeze a type AC RCD and stop it working, the type A can stand 6 mA of DC without being affected, but 6 mA is a very small figure, and unless there is some device to auto disconnect the supply if over 6 mA DC is flowing, then you really don't know if even the type A will work, the 6 mA detection is included with EV chargers, but not seen it used else where, and my attempts to use a clamp on ammeter to measure the DC showed there is a problem with zeroing the meter with such low currents, so not sure the type A is that good either, but except with a TT supply the RCD is secondary protection, so not really too much of a problem. However using the test button should highlight problems, so as long as the test button works, no real worries.

Odd but one is not required to test the RCD under load, I think that is an over sight, also you don't need to record the back ground leakage, also I think an over sight.

I do not like the on line certificates, as at least with mine, the signature is typed in, so no real way to prove the person listed actually did the test.

[Dxc712]

1) A consumer unit is a type tested distribution board, to get the type testing, one must only use items authorised by the boards manufacturer, and no manufacturer is likely to test the board with some one else's parts fitted. The problem is some RCBO's the terminal raises to clamp, and others lower to clamp, and you have a common bus bar, so it can strain both new and old devices if the terminals are not identical. There is also how much heat is produced, and different makes may radiate different amounts of heat, so you now don't have a consumer unit, it is now a distribution unit, and you simply don't know if safe or not.

2) There are four certificates, the electrician doing the work issues either a minor works certificate or an installation certificate, neither can be issued by anyone else, these are required be it domestic or commercial, and they contain the test figures, like the speed and current that the RCD part of the RCBO tripped at, since the forces applied by fitting a non compliant RCBO could affect the other RCBO's they would all need testing to show the strain had not affected their operation.

3) There are two ways to register the work, well in England (not Wales) three, method one is before the work starts, you apply to the LABC, and they become responsible for the site safety, they will decide who and test and inspect, and you could need to pay extra fees for a third party to inspect, once complete and they are satisfied a completion certificate is issued. In England only some electricians can do the same as the LABC, through their scheme provider, the idea is a gas fitter working for same firm can do some work and the electrician can check the electrical part of it, although the law allows it, England only, most scheme providers have not taken up the option, so that situation is rare, but a compliance certificate is issued rather than a completion certificate, the third which is the most common, is the electrician is a scheme member, and he tells his scheme provider he has done the work, and they issue a compliance certificate.

Note today often you don't get a paper certificate, they are posted on line and you can down load them. Powis seem to be good that way, Flintshire many certificates missing from their site.

Glad the RCBO has now been changed, and you have the installation certificate showing it has been tested, as to type AC or type A I am not sure how important that is, the problem has been identified that DC can freeze a type AC RCD and stop it working, the type A can stand 6 mA of DC without being affected, but 6 mA is a very small figure, and unless there is some device to auto disconnect the supply if over 6 mA DC is flowing, then you really don't know if even the type A will work, the 6 mA detection is included with EV chargers, but not seen it used else where, and my attempts to use a clamp on ammeter to measure the DC showed there is a problem with zeroing the meter with such low currents, so not sure the type A is that good either, but except with a TT supply the RCD is secondary protection, so not really too much of a problem. However using the test button should highlight problems, so as long as the test button works, no real worries.

Odd but one is not required to test the RCD under load, I think that is an over sight, also you don't need to record the back ground leakage, also I think an over sight.

I do not like the on line certificates, as at least with mine, the signature is typed in, so no real way to prove the person listed actually did the test.

I'm sorry but I can't follow the jargon. I'm not an electrician.