Hi ALL,
I need to have railing and gate fitted to my parents house, as been informed by the metalwork guy he said yours is not powder coated, so you need to keep painting the railings. I paid about £800 last year for the gate, garden wall railing and the dividing railing.
He has given me his spec it will be powder coating and he will charge me £645 fitted or i can fit it myself and he will charge me about £500 - £550 supply only.
His spec is below same as the picture, as i am not sure if mine 16mm bar or 12mm bar.
8mtr
40 x 10 solid bar frames
14mm solid bar in-fills
14mm forged collars
16mm ball on stem.
Galvanised / powder coated
Do you think i need powder coating or just have it galvanised, as he said of you powder coated you do need to paint it and the finish is different to the galvanised.
It is too late now for the existing to get it powder coated, as the existing has the Galvanised, but it will need a coat of paint may be every 5 years.
siraz wrote:It is too late now for the existing to get it powder coated, as the existing has the Galvanised, but it will need a coat of paint may be every 5 years.
Not a pro by any stretch of the imagination, but would love to know why they can't be stripped and powder coated.
Be interesting to hear what the experts say later.
If it's hot dipped galvanised you'd only need to repaint it if it had not been painted properly in the first place. You do need a special primer on a zinc galvanising so that it adheres properly. Such a fence will last 25 plus years. Any pinholes in the paint won't rust because of the galvanising - that's the point of it. Without galvanising, rust will spread from a pinhole.
Powder coating is a nice finish, but I don't think it has any advantages over galvanising other than cosmetic.
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siraz wrote:I did not know you need planning permission, as i just replaced like for like in height wise.
you may not need planning if the fence installed was origional or off a height permitted at time off errection
i wouldnt worry its such a pleasing fence that no one should complain
but for future refference its 1m/4ft at the front or 2m/6ft6"
also somtimes within developments front gardens have to be open with minimal border this is where you see small posts and chains as this is classified as open
Siraz, your man has done you a pretty good price there i reckon....
I am a little confused as to where the 14mm solid infills came from, 14mm isnt a standard stock bar size ;) Its 12mm or 16mm.
Finishing, for an a1 job, go the extra and have it hot dip galvanised. That will be a very bright silvery finish, which will eventually go a dull grey arfter a year or two.
If you want quality black railings, have it galvanised and then powder coated black.
If you want a cheap job, and dont mind repainting every few years, just get paint or just powder.
If they are going with the existing ones pictured. get paint or powder. You probably wont notice the difference after a few weeks, long as the finish is both either satin or gloss.
As stods has mentioned, if you choose paint ontop of galvanised, you would need to have it etched, using a 'mordant solution' which kils the reactive galvanised surface, allowing the paint to adhere properly. Im not 100% sure but i think this step isnt required with powdercoating.
You could get the existing ones shot blasted, galvanised, then powder coated, but if they have a decent coat, id be inclined to leave them.
The galvanising will add £100-£150 on to it i would expect.
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I am a little confused as to where the 14mm solid infills came from, 14mm isnt a standard stock bar size ;) Its 12mm or 16mm. My wife measured it and it is 16mm bar.
Finishing, for an a1 job, go the extra and have it hot dip galvanised. That will be a very bright silvery finish, which will eventually go a dull grey arfter a year or two.
I will have it hot dip galvanised, but the finish colour will be black.
If you want quality black railings, have it galvanised and then powder coated black.
I want the quality black railings and have it Galvanised and then will have it powder coated black.
If you want a cheap job, and dont mind repainting every few years, just get paint or just powder.
When you say cheap job, will this be still galvanised and then paint it say black colour. What do you mean by powder or is it powder coated black.
If they are going with the existing ones pictured. get paint or powder. You probably wont notice the difference after a few weeks, long as the finish is both either satin or gloss.
Noted your above comments and the finish is going to be matt satin same as mine. Has mine been Hot dipped galvanised or Zinc Galvanised or just galvanised sprayed. How would i tell the difference ?
As stods has mentioned, if you choose paint ontop of galvanised, you would need to have it etched, using a 'mordant solution' which kils the reactive galvanised surface, allowing the paint to adhere properly. Im not 100% sure but i think this step isnt required with powdercoating.
I think i had mine painted black, so will mine be Hot dipped galvanised or Zinc Galvanised or just galvanised sprayed.
You could get the existing ones shot blasted, galvanised, then powder coated, but if they have a decent coat, id be inclined to leave them.
I will leave it, as it is now, as it will be another expense, as at the moment it has a decent coat of paint, since it has been installed by the metal fabricator, about 2-3 years ago and he said it is Galvanised, so i am not sre which galvanised, Hot dipped galvanised or Zinc Galvanised or just galvanised sprayed.
The galvanising will add £100-£150 on to it i would expect.
Hot dipped galvanised is zinc. The only choice for outdoors. If yours have been galvanised, i would expect it to be hot dipped.
Not to be confused with zinc plating.
by powder, i mean powder coated.
If you want black railings, you can have them just painted.
Or you can have them just powder coated.
Or you can have either of the above, ontop of a galvanised coating.
I think mine must be hot dipped, as there are some areas where the paint has come off and i can see greyish colour.
So if there are scratches, they are sealed by weathering products from the zinc.
I will just ask the fabricator to either paint or powder coated black depending on the cost. However he said if you powder coat then you do not need to paint ever again.
Looked at the website and understood about the hot dipped galvanised.
Dont believe anyone who says you will never need to re-paint if you get things powder coated. Unless they have been galvanised first any little scratches in the finish will allow water in and rust will start to spread under the powder coating. Also re-painting over powder coating can be a problem depending which powder they use as sometimes the paints react. I always galvanise exterior stuff and finish with a painted finish. That way the paint is just cosmetic and if it gets very scratched you can re-paint at your leisure without worrying about rust starting. You have been given a very good price though. No way I would do all that for 645. Just make sure he can actually weld and isnt some muppet doing it in his kitchen!!!
Did this guy approach you to say it wasn't powder coated and then try to sell you a new fence & gate? If so then i would be very wary. Also, the price he states mentions he will powder coat them.......but not galvanise them. Most strange. Metalwork that has been galvanised will not rust. Metalwork that has been powder coated can & will rust just as soon as the paint finish gets damaged.
You have galvanised fences - as you can tell where the paint has come off - it is a dull grey underneath. That is the galvanised finish and you therefore have great looking metalwork that will not rust for years (15+ easily). The difficulty with galvanised metalwork is getting paint to adhere to it - this is where powder coating can be really good, if properly carried out by a professional powder coating company.
If your problem is that the paint is flaking off and making it look unsightly then it is because the metalwork was poorly treated after galvanising - it should have been treated with Tay wash, which takes the brightness off - calms it down to a dull grey (kinda ages it quickly). It should then have been chemically etched with a suitable product - the chemical etch is easily brushed onto the metalwork. After that it should have been primed & painted using suitable products - all of this is simple and easily available. Powder coating the galvanised metalwork also works - as long as the powder coaters know what they are doing.........as stated, galvanised metal is difficult to paint.
If indeed flaky paint is the problem, i would get a quote on bead-blasting it - you can then decide if you want to paint it yourself or get it powder coated. I have not made gates / fences for a while now, but i ended up refusing to make them unless the people paid to get them galvanised - i got fed up with them looking like cr*p in no time
He has done some metalwork in the company i work, as he has made a showroom for the boss. so i am sure he can weld.
bredred
He did not approach me, as i aksed him for a quote while he was doing my boss job at the company i owrked for.
He said he will hot dipped Galvanised and then powder coated in black.
My railings are Hot dipped Galvanised and then sprayed black paint, as this is what my metal fabricator told me and he said if you noticed there are holes on the square box section, as when you hot dipped galvanised you need this hole to for the galvanised to react, something like that i can not remember exactly what he said.
I see what you mean, if you have it hot dipped galvanised and either if you paint it or powder coated it and if the paints comes off you will still get the rust or does it have to penetrate through the galvanised.
I have see some rust area on my railing, as i can see the paint has come off little spot of area and may be some galvanised may have been scraped off, may be wear and tear due to public traffic.
